On 22/07/2024 7:36 pm, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
Hi Liam,
sometimes I think if it is your mood to be so melodramatic or if
yourself have some need or business need and want to satisfy.
As I already said, I regretted that post as soon as I saw the replies.
But even so: I am trying to tell you folks some truths that you _really
do not want to hear_.
But there will be Xwayland. And also GNUstep is X11 agnostic. It can run
on Windows, remember? Contribute to the wayland backend if you like it
so much.
Again: Not a programmer.
XWayland is around for now, but it's rapidly heading for legacy support
status.
Yes, you refer to a project which is just some stuff over FreeBS and
which needs all the Apple Frameworks.
Oh, there is Coca, to your dismay.
But just a quick look here:
https://github.com/ravynsoft/ravynos/tree/main/Frameworks/AppKit
shows the project is doomed. It essentially uses Cocotron, an almost 20
year old, dead codebase which was quite incomplete even back them,
targeted only to some specific things.
Might be. I have no judgement about it, but it's getting eyes and
getting contributions and developing and moving.
> Also I may add, I have some doubts that Cocotron is really a clean-room
implementation and didn't get from GNUstep, but that is another point
Gregory and i had years ago.
Could be. But if so, the question is: why? Why would someone take code
and take it in a different direction?
Does that mean GNUstep didn't do something they wanted? If so, what, and
can it do that?
Then your knowledge is limited. Those are just the latest and most
"NeXT" looking.
There are other projects, at various state of completeness and vitality.
Do tell.
Étoilé is dead. What else?
What you think should have been, doesn't matter. We don't need Flatpak.
I am not saying you do. I am saying that GNUstep has alreadt built and
implemented something better already and the project don't even seem to
have noticed it.
You just take an app, drag it in your Application folder and it works!
Like I said: better than Flatpak. Or Snap, for that matter.
I don't see what problem you want to solve.
The problem that AppImage, Flatpak and Snap all tried to solve with some
degree of success.
Yeah.. now let's see how many projects use Swift beyond Apple MacOS or iOS.
Does it matter?
https://github.com/SwiftForWindows/SwiftForWindows/issues/76
e.g. says "The project is Dead".
So?
The point is, it's out there, it's FOSS, and today, it's what new code
for Apple OSes is being written in. Obj-C is on the way out.
AIUI a big part of the appeal of GNUstep _as a set of frameworks_ was
porting Apple code to non-Apple OSes easily, and using Apple-compatible
frameworks to product portable apps.
If you don't support the language Apple has now moved to, then it's game
over.
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