Hey James,

Yes I've seen it.  The Milk theme is very pretty.  I like minimalist themes
that are simple and elegant.   I'm looking forward to seeing a theme like
it in GNUstep.

Yours, GC

On Mon, Jul 6, 2026 at 4:36 AM James Carthew <[email protected]> wrote:

> Did you see the Milk theme? The point of it was mostly recreating:
> https://www.maxrudberg.com/themes.html Ink is just the current theme that
> I was running. I am still developing Ambrosia, I've just got some other
> apps I'm developing at the same time. Rik.theme is also supported for a
> more Mac-like theme. I might look at Cappucino at some point, the biggest
> issue with Ambrosia right now is cleaning up the Wayland backend. It's
> still missing a lot compared to X11.
>
> On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 at 12:08, Gregory Casamento <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Colby,
>>
>> Interesting side note... I briefly worked with them.   Not open-sourcing
>> Atlas was a huge mistake.  I'm glad that Cappuccino is still around.   One
>> thing I had considered doing back then was creating a way to export to .cib
>> (the format used by Atlas) so that people could create these files for the
>> Cappuccino apps.   I'm not sure how prevalent Cappuccino is, so I can't
>> confirm whether this is still worth pursuing.
>>
>> Yours, GC
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2026 at 8:57 PM Colby Russell <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought the earlier Ambrosia screenshots showed promise.
>>>
>>> Some number of years ago, a startup called 280 North created two
>>> noteworthy
>>> applications: a slideshow creator and an Interface Builder clone called
>>> Atlas.
>>> (They also released the Cappuccino framework, which was basically a Cocoa
>>> clone for browser-based apps.  Tracking down the Atlas demo videos are
>>> well
>>> worth the time.)
>>>
>>> They were eventually acquired, but the Atlas codebase unfortunately never
>>> open-sourced, and then it disappeared.  However, Cappuccino is still
>>> around
>>> and has always been LGPL.
>>>
>>> Before the acquisition, they'd used some of their startup funding to
>>> contract
>>> with a professional design agency to create a theme for Cappuccino called
>>> Aristo.
>>>
>>> - <https://www.cappuccino.dev/aristo/>
>>> - <https://github.com/cappuccino/aristo>
>>>
>>> I heartily recommend that you take wholesale from Aristo and make it the
>>> default theme for Ambrosia (even if you yourself don't find it to your
>>> taste
>>> and configure your personal machine to something more in line with the
>>> screenshot you've included here).  One of the biggest factors in getting
>>> people to be excited about a project like GNUStep/Ambrosia and a
>>> willingness
>>> to try it is providing an immediately attractive and accessible
>>> out-of-the-box
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> Xamarin also paid for an overhaul of MonoDevelop that resulted in a new
>>> theme
>>> before they were acquired Microsoft.  I suggest borrowing from that
>>> work, too,
>>> to fill in the gaps (e.g. use the original iconset that the MonoDevelop
>>> theme
>>> used before they switched to flat UI).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Colby Russell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Gregory Casamento
>> GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant
>> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
>> https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c
>>
>

-- 
Gregory Casamento
GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant
http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
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