POWERHOUSE wrote:
> 
> No, I do agree, that Fax blasting is WRONG. That does cost people money.
> Email Does Not. Just like if your are watching
> TV and you see an ad. You have a choice to watch it or NOT. In your Snail
> Mail. You can through the letter away or NOT.

Mr Powerhouse:

This argument is weak.  Very weak.  In fact, it is based on a fallacy. 
e-mail does cost people money.  I know that as an ISP, we pay traffic
charges, and CPU time on our mailserver is not free either.  As a home
user, I pay connect-time charges.  What does the spammer pay?  Relatively
little in comparison.  It is truly the recipient that ends up swallowing
the costs.

This is opposite other mediums:
Fax: you will likely get it long distance, costing you pennies (especially
if you have a decent fax machine) and costing them about 40 cents per
page.

Mail: you pay nothing to recieve it, the sender pays about 40 cents per
envelope to send it (plus medium costs)

TV: you pay relatively little for the cable service when you compare to
the thousands or millions of dollars spent to run a 30 second ad.

> I just don't think people should be able to cry spam, when 75% of the time,
> they have signed up for something somewhere and
> they just forget about it. I am a webhost. Not a reseller either. I do not
> shut down my clients for spam, unless the person who sent
> it cannot verify that the person in some way either emailed them FIRST, or

You know how easy it is to manufacture an e-mail message?  There's a
reason that they're not quite as rock solid as a handwritten letter in
court.

> Then it's NOT spam. X being critical factors. Then when people ask to be
> removed, and they are NOT removed, they should get a fine
> or something like that, to keep the "balance" on the internet. I just don't
> think that their should be 1000 different laws as to what constitutes
> Spam. If that is the case, and say you have a customer, who falls under the

Spam is the common term for UCE or Unsolicited Commercial E-mail. 
Dissecting this term, we find that the message must meet three
qualifications: 1, Unsolicited -- user did not request this information;
2, Commercial -- someone somewhere is going to profit from this; 3, e-mail
-- must come by e-mail.

If it fits those three categories, it is spam.

> Just because they are you customer, don't mean you have the right to send
> them email, and that is a what I'm talking about. Their

That is debatable.  A company-client relationship changes it from
unsolicited to solicited.

> everyones got them and they all stink. I know mine does to a lot of people,
> but I think that is the way it should be. Filters work, but they could also
> filter out GOOD email. Like maybe a domain Expiration warning. Things like
> that.
> 
> anyways, Not everyone agrees with what I think, and I don't agree with what
> everyone thinks. Life goes on....

Spam is wrong.  I'm sure it could be arranged to have all the list members
start forwarding their spam to you, if you want proof...

-kb
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