Any GUI is going to abstract you from the underlying system. (For a good
treatise on this, check out "In the Beginning Was the Command Line" by
Neal Stephenson.) I prefer the use of the CLI because it gets me close
to the subsystems. The price is the system doing exactly what I say, for
good or ill. GUI's take some of that intimate control away, but
sometimes that's what you want.
-- 
Jonathan M. Prigot <[email protected]>

On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 18:02 +0000, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote:
> > From: Mark Woodward [mailto:[email protected]]
> > 
> > > A powerful gui that dumbs down your admin tasks with all sorts of pitfalls
> > and shortcomings that enable you to shoot yourself in the foot.
> > 
> > That's true of all GUI's atop of complex paradigms.  
> 
> Only if the GUI doesn't fully implement the underlying layer, or if the GUI 
> lacks error detection/correction that affects the underlying layer.
> 
> But any gui that is fully featured simply gives access and control to the 
> same stuff in a format that doesn't require memorization, and uses geography 
> / real estate / visual aids, that accelerate your productivity.  I can name, 
> for example, the IP address configuration GUI.  It gives you full access to 
> the underlying stuff, without need to memorize which files contain those 
> configs, nor what the precise syntax is for each of those files.  And of 
> course, "those files" is a set of files which is prone to change from rev to 
> rev of the OS.
> 
> But since this topic is about webmin, my experience with webmin is just like 
> my experience with ASDM.  It neither implements the full featureset under the 
> hood, nor does a problem-free implementation of the stuff that implements.  
> You try to make some change, and when you hit Apply, it throws some error 
> back at you...  Some of what you were doing might have been applied, and some 
> might not...  And various other problems.
> 
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