On Mar 13, 2014, at 7:25 PM, dan moylan <[email protected]> wrote:

> however, when i enter sudo ifconfig eth0 up, i get connected
> to the LAN, and can ssh into the other linux computer on the
> LAN, but can't see out -- frustrating.


Sounds to me like the default route is messed up. 

If you're setting it correctly on the command line, then maybe NetworkManager 
is noticing your changes and automatically changing them back to the wrong 
settings. I had a similar issue a few years ago while installing a new server 
where an overly aggressive NetworkManager daemon was ultimately the culprit, 
and I had to disable NetworkManager to get networking to function correctly.
 
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