On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Jaime R. Garza <gar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Alexandro, > > Who can decide within LO to separate officially the engines from the UI? > > For me that's now a must! But who needs to be convinced so that this is > actually done? > Well I am not sure LibO mantain the UI, most of these areas still rely on the original codebase from OOo. The UI is really old code written in the late 80's. So you will need to do a lot of learning on the requirements from SALT, VCL, and other layers within the OOo architecture. Which is what I mean, with actually understanding how OOo works first to think about proposing hacks and ports. I would recommend you to read the original developer guide to see how most of the OOo components are build and how the IDL is structured. Then you can get a sense on the amount of work that would be needed for a port or an engine extraction. Unfortunately this is when most proponents stop listening and replying, until someone new comes with this proposal. > > Cheers! > > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 22:07, Alexandro Colorado <j...@openoffice.org>wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Jaime R. Garza <gar...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> As I have mentioned before, I think, the best solution would be to make a >>> HTML5 based LO! >>> >> >> There are some web editors --- open source ones. One is the one EyeOS >> uses, and it looks like a word abiword text processor. Of course it only >> edits and saves in HTML and PDF. But is a start. Having something like >> ODFKit to export to ODT would be the second stage. The thing is that LibO >> nor OOo has their engines separated from the UI. URE is too separated even >> from the traditional API. So many things are not present in URE. So there is >> a lot of piping neediing to go into doing such a thing. Also LibO/OOo is not >> only a text editor so de-bundling might be the biggest challenge but again >> this is the 10 foot view of the issue. >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 21:27, Alexandro Colorado <j...@openoffice.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Linux on Arm is not the same as LibreOffice on ARM. My N900 runs Debian >>> > Linux on Arm, but it has X connected to it. Without it, LibO won't run. >>> > Thats the issue we had earlier with OOo on OSX. >>> > >>> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Chao Sun <sunc...@redoffice.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > Hello Alexandro, >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > However, I would rather see some code, and not just ideas. My >>> question >>> > is >>> > > > when will u launch a proof of concept, or at least try? >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > We are typing some code now. However, firstly we need to do the >>> "cross >>> > > compile" part. And some issues need to address. I've heard the "linux >>> on >>> > > ARM" has already been done. And if anybody have access to those >>> assembly >>> > > code. Or have clue where we should headed, please ring the bell. >>> > > >>> > > Cheers >>> > > Chao >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Cheers! >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Jaime >>> > > >> >>> > > >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:56, Mirek M. <maz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> 2011/3/4 Jaime R. Garza <gar...@gmail.com> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>>> In my humble opinion it will be great to have the UI separated >>> from >>> > > all >>> > > >>> the >>> > > >>>> rest. Think of WebKit in the Browser! That would allow to have a >>> QT >>> > > UI, >>> > > >> a >>> > > >>>> GTK UI, a Multitouch UI, etc. >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> There are two projects already underway with this goal in mind: >>> > > >>> WebODF<http://www.webodf.org/>and >>> > > >>> ODFKit <http://gitorious.org/odfkit> (WebODF seems to be an >>> > evolution >>> > > of >>> > > >>> ODFKit, and although it uses web technologies, it's still >>> suitable >>> > for >>> > > >>> desktop and mobile applications). >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 02:52, Chaosun <sunc...@redoffice.com> >>> wrote: >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>>> Well, I had a quite long chat with tml_ regarding the porting >>> to >>> > > >>> Android >>> > > >>>>> issue. The truth is that we are planning to have a try. However >>> the >>> > > >>>> workload >>> > > >>>>> is tremendous due to the loss of UI. Also to fit the platform, >>> we >>> > > >> need >>> > > >>> a >>> > > >>>>> complete redesign on UE. >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> The possible works would be: >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> 1. Get rid of all the UI related modules such as vcl, sfx2, >>> > framework >>> > > >>> and >>> > > >>>>> corresponding services etc. >>> > > >>>>> 2. A engine like LibreOffice, no UI, only provides APIs for >>> further >>> > > >>>>> development. >>> > > >>>>> 3. Create a UI for multitouch devices >>> > > >>>>> Just name a few. no one is a easy work. Also, I'd like to hear >>> from >>> > > >>> you. >>> > > >>>>> Please do advice! >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> Regards >>> > > >>>>> Chao >>> > > >>>>> -- >>> > > >>>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> > > >>> discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >>> > > >>>>> Archive: >>> http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>> > > >>>>> *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity >>> *** >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> -- >>> > > >>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> > > >> discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >>> > > >>>> Archive: >>> http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>> > > >>>> *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity >>> *** >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> -- >>> > > >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> > > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >>> > > >>> Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>> > > >>> *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> -- >>> > > >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >>> > > >> Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>> > > >> *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > *Alexandro Colorado* >>> > > > *OpenOffice.org* Español >>> > > > http://es.openoffice.org >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> > discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >>> > > > Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>> > > > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >>> > > Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>> > > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > *Alexandro Colorado* >>> > *OpenOffice.org* Español >>> > http://es.openoffice.org >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>> discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >>> > Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>> > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >>> Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>> *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Alexandro Colorado* >> *OpenOffice.org* Español >> http://es.openoffice.org >> >> > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
