On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Jaime R. Garza <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well the problem is that I'm not a programmer. :-( > > So I can't really make it by myself. :-( > > That's why I'm just giving my thoughts and opinions. Probably we could find > a sponsor, the EU commission, for example, sponsors a lot of different > projects, maybe we could make a proposal. The question is how many > programmers will be willing to do this getting money from a sponsor? I could > help making a proposal and so on, but I will not do this until programmers > leading the development of LO give me a clear commitment. > Well this is open source, so the answer you most likely to get is: time and money. Limited resources means that if you pay the lead programmers to work idea, you will halt the development libo since they will have to leave the current projects to work on your idea. The other scenario is that you get the money, hire your developers, build the patch, and try to submit it. If the patch is not possible you can always fork. In other words, you don't need permission, feel free to do it any way you can, and once built you can submit it for approval. Developers can't give u an approval on something that doesn't exist which goes to my original comment. Start by doing a proof of concept, and then engage with developers. > Cheers! > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 22:45, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Jaime R. Garza <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hello Alexandro, >>> >>> Who can decide within LO to separate officially the engines from the UI? >>> >>> For me that's now a must! But who needs to be convinced so that this is >>> actually done? >>> >> >> Well I am not sure LibO mantain the UI, most of these areas still rely on >> the original codebase from OOo. The UI is really old code written in the >> late 80's. So you will need to do a lot of learning on the requirements from >> SALT, VCL, and other layers within the OOo architecture. Which is what I >> mean, with actually understanding how OOo works first to think about >> proposing hacks and ports. I would recommend you to read the original >> developer guide to see how most of the OOo components are build and how the >> IDL is structured. Then you can get a sense on the amount of work that would >> be needed for a port or an engine extraction. >> >> Unfortunately this is when most proponents stop listening and replying, >> until someone new comes with this proposal. >> >> >> >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 22:07, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Jaime R. Garza <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> As I have mentioned before, I think, the best solution would be to make >>>>> a >>>>> HTML5 based LO! >>>>> >>>> >>>> There are some web editors --- open source ones. One is the one EyeOS >>>> uses, and it looks like a word abiword text processor. Of course it only >>>> edits and saves in HTML and PDF. But is a start. Having something like >>>> ODFKit to export to ODT would be the second stage. The thing is that LibO >>>> nor OOo has their engines separated from the UI. URE is too separated even >>>> from the traditional API. So many things are not present in URE. So there >>>> is >>>> a lot of piping neediing to go into doing such a thing. Also LibO/OOo is >>>> not >>>> only a text editor so de-bundling might be the biggest challenge but again >>>> this is the 10 foot view of the issue. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 21:27, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > Linux on Arm is not the same as LibreOffice on ARM. My N900 runs >>>>> Debian >>>>> > Linux on Arm, but it has X connected to it. Without it, LibO won't >>>>> run. >>>>> > Thats the issue we had earlier with OOo on OSX. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Chao Sun <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > Hello Alexandro, >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > However, I would rather see some code, and not just ideas. My >>>>> question >>>>> > is >>>>> > > > when will u launch a proof of concept, or at least try? >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > We are typing some code now. However, firstly we need to do the >>>>> "cross >>>>> > > compile" part. And some issues need to address. I've heard the >>>>> "linux on >>>>> > > ARM" has already been done. And if anybody have access to those >>>>> assembly >>>>> > > code. Or have clue where we should headed, please ring the bell. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Cheers >>>>> > > Chao >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> Cheers! >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> Jaime >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:56, Mirek M. <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >>> 2011/3/4 Jaime R. Garza <[email protected]> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>>> In my humble opinion it will be great to have the UI separated >>>>> from >>>>> > > all >>>>> > > >>> the >>>>> > > >>>> rest. Think of WebKit in the Browser! That would allow to have >>>>> a QT >>>>> > > UI, >>>>> > > >> a >>>>> > > >>>> GTK UI, a Multitouch UI, etc. >>>>> > > >>>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> There are two projects already underway with this goal in mind: >>>>> > > >>> WebODF<http://www.webodf.org/>and >>>>> > > >>> ODFKit <http://gitorious.org/odfkit> (WebODF seems to be an >>>>> > evolution >>>>> > > of >>>>> > > >>> ODFKit, and although it uses web technologies, it's still >>>>> suitable >>>>> > for >>>>> > > >>> desktop and mobile applications). >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 02:52, Chaosun <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > > >>>> >>>>> > > >>>>> Well, I had a quite long chat with tml_ regarding the porting >>>>> to >>>>> > > >>> Android >>>>> > > >>>>> issue. The truth is that we are planning to have a try. >>>>> However the >>>>> > > >>>> workload >>>>> > > >>>>> is tremendous due to the loss of UI. Also to fit the >>>>> platform, we >>>>> > > >> need >>>>> > > >>> a >>>>> > > >>>>> complete redesign on UE. >>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>> The possible works would be: >>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>> 1. Get rid of all the UI related modules such as vcl, sfx2, >>>>> > framework >>>>> > > >>> and >>>>> > > >>>>> corresponding services etc. >>>>> > > >>>>> 2. A engine like LibreOffice, no UI, only provides APIs for >>>>> further >>>>> > > >>>>> development. >>>>> > > >>>>> 3. Create a UI for multitouch devices >>>>> > > >>>>> Just name a few. no one is a easy work. Also, I'd like to >>>>> hear from >>>>> > > >>> you. >>>>> > > >>>>> Please do advice! >>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>> Regards >>>>> > > >>>>> Chao >>>>> > > >>>>> -- >>>>> > > >>>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>>>> > > >>> [email protected] >>>>> > > >>>>> Archive: >>>>> http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>>>> > > >>>>> *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity >>>>> *** >>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>> > > >>>> >>>>> > > >>>> -- >>>>> > > >>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>>>> > > >> [email protected] >>>>> > > >>>> Archive: >>>>> http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>>>> > > >>>> *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity >>>>> *** >>>>> > > >>>> >>>>> > > >>>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> -- >>>>> > > >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>>>> > > [email protected] >>>>> > > >>> Archive: >>>>> http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>>>> > > >>> *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity >>>>> *** >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >>> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> -- >>>>> > > >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>>>> > [email protected] >>>>> > > >> Archive: >>>>> http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>>>> > > >> *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity >>>>> *** >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > -- >>>>> > > > *Alexandro Colorado* >>>>> > > > *OpenOffice.org* Español >>>>> > > > http://es.openoffice.org >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > -- >>>>> > > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>>>> > [email protected] >>>>> > > > Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>>>> > > > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > -- >>>>> > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> > > Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>>>> > > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > *Alexandro Colorado* >>>>> > *OpenOffice.org* Español >>>>> > http://es.openoffice.org >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> > Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>>>> > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>>>> *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Alexandro Colorado* >>>> *OpenOffice.org* Español >>>> http://es.openoffice.org >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Alexandro Colorado* >> *OpenOffice.org* Español >> http://es.openoffice.org >> >> > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
