I am not happy with Allen's characterization of Simon's participation.

I suspect the difference is that Allen put himself on the list of initial 
committers and is now on the podling PPMC at Apache.  Simon did not choose to 
put himself on that list.

That's Simon's business.  

Simon has been a vocal, active participant in the run-up to the Apache 
Incubator vote to accept the Oracle contribution and on the public lists that 
are now established for the Apache podling.

I, for one, welcome any contributions that Simon cares to make, and that Allen 
will be making.  

I should point out that it is a waste of time to become an initial committer 
and member of the podling PPMC with the goal of canceling Rob Weir's (or anyone 
else's) vote, because there is rarely any voting, *especially* on technical 
matters.  I am learning as a newcomer there that Apache is a *serious* 
inclusive meritocracy and it is better to look at it as there being no one who 
has a privileged seat at the table.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 09:37
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice


On 16 Jun 2011, at 17:31, Allen Pulsifer wrote:

>> Allen Pulsifer wrote:
>> As an experienced person in the open source world, I would think you know
> by now that
>> it is a lot easier to influence a project when have a seat at the table
> and are working from
>> the inside rather of the outside.  You could have also been one of those
> persons with a seat
>> at the table, and together, we would have had twice the voice as Rob Weir.
> 
>> Simon Phipps replied:
>> Excuse me? What are all the contributions I am making on that list?
> Chopped liver?
> 
> Pretty much, yes.  As a person who chose not to have a seat at the table,
> you are serving up chopped liver for the people at the table to taste and
> decide whether they want to eat it.  That's a fair analogy, I think, if it's
> the one you want to use.

Given I've showed up in both conversations at Apache and made actual tangible 
contributions of at least the same scale as yours, I honestly have no idea what 
you are getting at, Allen. 

Thanks,

S.


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