---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: lj <ljelou...@gmail.com> Date: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness To: "<dennis.hamil...@acm.org>" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
Thank you for the explanation of OOXML. But I am still confused. To Clear Things Up I need to know if the OOXML File Format, is open sourced... or proprietary? (This was probably mentioned before...) Then I would definitely have a clearer understanding. Thanks, LJ On 08/02/2013, at 5:49 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > Yes there is an International Standard for OOXML. I *suspect* that the > provision of two-different Save As ... cases is (1) for the Transitional > Standard OOXML which is the closest to what is acceptable by all Microsoft > Office applications that accept .docx, .xlsx, and .pptx, and (2) for Strict > Standard OOXML that is accepted only by Office 2010 and 2013 and can be > produced by 2013. I have no idea how close the alignment of LibreOffice is > to those two flavors of Standard OOXML, which is a different question. > There are those who think that Transitional is somehow not truly OOXML, but > both are specified in the International Standard. Microsoft Office also > takes advantage of the extension mechanism, MCE, that is provided in the > International Standard. I don't know how that sorts out in the > interoperability between LibreOffice and Microsoft Office using OOXML. > > The Wikipedia article is not bad. However, there has been significant > maintenance of IS 29500:2008 and that has impacted the original separation > of Transitional and Strict by making them syntactically separate while > having considerable overlap in terms of function and semantics. The current > edition of the International Standard for OOXML is IS 29500:2012. There is > also an in-process amendment. > > - Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: lj [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 15:38 > To: Simon Phipps > Cc: Jonathan Aquilina; Boudi van Vlijmen; discuss@documentfoundation.org > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness > > Isn't there a standard Office Open XML Document Format? > What is the difference between office open xml and standard microsoft docx > formats in LibreOffice and why does LibreOffice include both? > is there also a link where I can read about this... the only think I have > found useful is what open xml is. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> wrote: > >> I don't know anyone who uses Office so I'm afraid I can't answer. That's >> why I send PDFs - everyone can open those and see the same document. >> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >> >>> My question though Simon is how well is ODF formatting preserved when >>> opening up ODF formats in office 2010 and above on windows. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:11 PM >>> To: Boudi van Vlijmen >>> Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org >>> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness >>> >>> I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents >>> unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk >>> anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) >>> >>> If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are >>> PDFs >>> with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with >>> LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: >>> http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ >>> >>> S. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen >>> <bo...@vanvlijmen.nl>wrote: >>> >>>> Friends, >>>> >>>> Every email I send has the footer as in this one. >>>> >>>> The purpose is to achieve; >>>> >>>> 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness >>>> 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. >>>> >>>> The message is: >>>> ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, >>>> ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, >>>> ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. >>>> >>>> ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get >>>> them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level >>>> ODF concept! >>>> >>>> Met vriendelijke groet, >>>> Kind regards, >>>> Boudi van Vlijmen <http://www.vanvlijmen.nl> >>>> >>>> *Werk documenten* >>>> ODT, gDoc, DOC, DOCX >>>> ODS, gSheet, XLS, XLSX >>>> en ODP, gSlides, PPT, PPTX >>>> *Distributie en Archivering* >>>> PDF/A <http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A> >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: Inline image 1] >>>> [image: Inline image 1] >>>> *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question! Waak over uw >>>> onafhankelijkheid! >>>> * >>>> http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/ >>>> Beleidsquote "Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen. >>>> Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008. >>>> ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties" >>>> Vendor-lock >>>> safe formats <http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in> >>>> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument >>>> ** >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>> deleted >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: > 02/07/13 >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: > 02/07/13 >> >> >> -- >> *Simon Phipps* http://webmink.com >> *Meshed Insights & Knowledge * >> *Office:* +1 (415) 683-7660 *or* +44 (238) 098 7027 >> *Mobile*: +44 774 776 2816* >> * >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
