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From: lj <ljelou...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
To: "<dennis.hamil...@acm.org>" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>


Thank you for the explanation of OOXML.
But I am still confused.
To Clear Things Up I need to know if the OOXML File Format, is open
sourced... or proprietary?
(This was probably mentioned before...)
Then I would definitely have a clearer understanding.
Thanks,
LJ


On 08/02/2013, at 5:49 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
wrote:

> Yes there is an International Standard for OOXML.  I *suspect* that the
> provision of two-different Save As ... cases is (1) for the Transitional
> Standard OOXML which is the closest to what is acceptable by all Microsoft
> Office applications that accept .docx, .xlsx, and .pptx, and (2) for
Strict
> Standard OOXML that is accepted only by Office 2010 and 2013 and can be
> produced by 2013.  I have no idea how close the alignment of LibreOffice
is
> to those two flavors of Standard OOXML, which is a different question.
> There are those who think that Transitional is somehow not truly OOXML,
but
> both are specified in the International Standard.  Microsoft Office also
> takes advantage of the extension mechanism, MCE, that is provided in the
> International Standard.  I don't know how that sorts out in the
> interoperability between LibreOffice and Microsoft Office using OOXML.
>
> The Wikipedia article is not bad.  However, there has been significant
> maintenance of IS 29500:2008 and that has impacted the original separation
> of Transitional and Strict by making them syntactically separate while
> having considerable overlap in terms of function and semantics.  The
current
> edition of the International Standard for OOXML is IS 29500:2012.  There
is
> also an in-process amendment.
>
> - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lj [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 15:38
> To: Simon Phipps
> Cc: Jonathan Aquilina; Boudi van Vlijmen; discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
>
> Isn't there a standard Office Open XML Document Format?
> What is the difference between office open xml and standard microsoft docx
> formats in LibreOffice and why does LibreOffice include both?
> is there also a link where I can read about this... the only think I have
> found useful is what open xml is.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know anyone who uses Office so I'm afraid I can't answer. That's
>> why I send PDFs - everyone can open those and see the same document.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> My question though Simon is how well is ODF formatting preserved when
>>> opening up ODF formats in office 2010 and above on windows.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:11 PM
>>> To: Boudi van Vlijmen
>>> Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org
>>> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness
>>>
>>> I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable documents
>>> unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no risk
>>> anyone will get locked-in to anything :-)
>>>
>>> If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which are
>>> PDFs
>>> with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with
>>> LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here:
>>> http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/
>>>
>>> S.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen
>>> <bo...@vanvlijmen.nl>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Friends,
>>>>
>>>> Every email I send has the footer as in this one.
>>>>
>>>> The purpose is to achieve;
>>>>
>>>>   1. Vendor-lock-in awarness
>>>>   2. Hook in on the society learning curve status.
>>>>
>>>> The message is:
>>>> ODT in place of DOC/DOCX,
>>>> ODS in place of XLS/XLSX,
>>>> ODP in place of PPT/PPTX.
>>>>
>>>> ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get
>>>> them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high level
>>>> ODF concept!
>>>>
>>>> Met vriendelijke groet,
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Boudi van Vlijmen <http://www.vanvlijmen.nl>
>>>>
>>>>  *Werk documenten*
>>>> ODT, gDoc, DOC, DOCX
>>>> ODS, gSheet, XLS, XLSX
>>>> en ODP, gSlides, PPT, PPTX
>>>> *Distributie en Archivering*
>>>> PDF/A <http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  [image: Inline image 1]
>>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>>  *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question! Waak over uw
>>>> onafhankelijkheid!
>>>> *
>>>> http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/
>>>> Beleidsquote "Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF ondersteunen.
>>>> Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december 2008.
>>>> ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor presentaties"
>>>> Vendor-lock
>>>> safe formats <http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in>
>>>> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument
>>>> **
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