Dennis, Not wanting to feed a big fat troll(the OOXML topic) I srill would like to point out that un terms of IPR ODF has a very clean and simple RF basis (royalty free) while OOXML is much more unclear on that point although it appeaes you don't have to pay fees for implementing what's covered in the ISO standard.
Best, Charles (who's a former director of the OASIS consortium) "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> a écrit : >To be clear, the OOXML File Format is the subject of an International >Standard, the same way that ODF is an International Standard. (OOXML >started off in ECMA, ODF started off in OASIS. Both are ISO >Standards.) > >So the specifications are open and freely available. You can download >them >for free. > >In addition, Microsoft has provided its Open Specification Promise and >other >declarations so that implementations of consumers and producers of the >format are not subject to any patent claims from Microsoft and it is >not >necessary to obtain a license. Sun did something similar for ODF. > >The Microsoft Office *implementation* is not open source. Likewise, >the >built-in support of ODF in Microsoft Office is not open source. The >standards for the formats are open. Open-source implementations are >not >required. > >Support for OOXML in products like LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice, >and in >the Apache POI Project, to name three, is open source -- they are open >source projects and the source code is available under open source >licenses. >Just as support for ODF in LibO, AOO, and the ODF Toolkit is with >open-source code. > >-----Original Message----- >From: lj [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 00:08 >To: discuss@documentfoundation.org >Subject: Fwd: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: lj <ljelou...@gmail.com> >Date: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:07 PM >Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness >To: "<dennis.hamil...@acm.org>" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> > > >Thank you for the explanation of OOXML. >But I am still confused. >To Clear Things Up I need to know if the OOXML File Format, is open >sourced... or proprietary? >(This was probably mentioned before...) >Then I would definitely have a clearer understanding. >Thanks, >LJ > > >On 08/02/2013, at 5:49 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" ><dennis.hamil...@acm.org> >wrote: > >> Yes there is an International Standard for OOXML. I *suspect* that >the >> provision of two-different Save As ... cases is (1) for the >Transitional >> Standard OOXML which is the closest to what is acceptable by all >Microsoft >> Office applications that accept .docx, .xlsx, and .pptx, and (2) for >Strict >> Standard OOXML that is accepted only by Office 2010 and 2013 and can >be >> produced by 2013. I have no idea how close the alignment of >LibreOffice >is >> to those two flavors of Standard OOXML, which is a different >question. >> There are those who think that Transitional is somehow not truly >OOXML, >but >> both are specified in the International Standard. Microsoft Office >also >> takes advantage of the extension mechanism, MCE, that is provided in >the >> International Standard. I don't know how that sorts out in the >> interoperability between LibreOffice and Microsoft Office using >OOXML. >> >> The Wikipedia article is not bad. However, there has been >significant >> maintenance of IS 29500:2008 and that has impacted the original >separation >> of Transitional and Strict by making them syntactically separate >while >> having considerable overlap in terms of function and semantics. The >current >> edition of the International Standard for OOXML is IS 29500:2012. >There >is >> also an in-process amendment. >> >> - Dennis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lj [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 15:38 >> To: Simon Phipps >> Cc: Jonathan Aquilina; Boudi van Vlijmen; >discuss@documentfoundation.org >> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness >> >> Isn't there a standard Office Open XML Document Format? >> What is the difference between office open xml and standard microsoft >docx >> formats in LibreOffice and why does LibreOffice include both? >> is there also a link where I can read about this... the only think I >have >> found useful is what open xml is. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> >wrote: >> >>> I don't know anyone who uses Office so I'm afraid I can't answer. >That's >>> why I send PDFs - everyone can open those and see the same document. >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Jonathan Aquilina ><eagles051...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> My question though Simon is how well is ODF formatting preserved >when >>>> opening up ODF formats in office 2010 and above on windows. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 4:11 PM >>>> To: Boudi van Vlijmen >>>> Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org >>>> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness >>>> >>>> I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable >documents >>>> unless there's a real need for me to edit them. That way there's no >risk >>>> anyone will get locked-in to anything :-) >>>> >>>> If I *do* need to be able to edit I request Hybrid PDF files, which >are >>>> PDFs >>>> with the original ODF source embedded. They are easy to make with >>>> LibreOffice and I've created a tutorial here: >>>> http://webmink.com/2012/05/07/making-hybrid-pdfs/ >>>> >>>> S. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Boudi van Vlijmen >>>> <bo...@vanvlijmen.nl>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Friends, >>>>> >>>>> Every email I send has the footer as in this one. >>>>> >>>>> The purpose is to achieve; >>>>> >>>>> 1. Vendor-lock-in awarness >>>>> 2. Hook in on the society learning curve status. >>>>> >>>>> The message is: >>>>> ODT in place of DOC/DOCX, >>>>> ODS in place of XLS/XLSX, >>>>> ODP in place of PPT/PPTX. >>>>> >>>>> ODF is one bridge to far. People think in DOC, XLS and PPT. To get >>>>> them away from that we should start from there. Not with a high >level >>>>> ODF concept! >>>>> >>>>> Met vriendelijke groet, >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> Boudi van Vlijmen <http://www.vanvlijmen.nl> >>>>> >>>>> *Werk documenten* >>>>> ODT, gDoc, DOC, DOCX >>>>> ODS, gSheet, XLS, XLSX >>>>> en ODP, gSlides, PPT, PPTX >>>>> *Distributie en Archivering* >>>>> PDF/A <http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [image: Inline image 1] >>>>> [image: Inline image 1] >>>>> *Open standards or Open Wallets that is the question! Waak over >uw >>>>> onafhankelijkheid! >>>>> * >>>>> http://forumstandaardisatie.nl/ >>>>> Beleidsquote "Rijksdiensten moeten vanaf april 2008 ODF >ondersteunen. >>>>> Mede-overheden en overige instellingen volgen uiterlijk december >2008. >>>>> ODF = .odt voor tekst, .ods voor spreadsheets, .odp voor >presentaties" >>>>> Vendor-lock >>>>> safe formats <http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in> >>>>> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument >>>>> ** >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >>>> Problems? >>>> >http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>>> Posting guidelines + more: >http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>> List archive: >http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot >be >>>> deleted >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: >> 02/07/13 >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 2013.0.2897 / Virus Database: 2639/6087 - Release Date: >> 02/07/13 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Simon Phipps* http://webmink.com >>> *Meshed Insights & Knowledge * >>> *Office:* +1 (415) 683-7660 *or* +44 (238) 098 7027 >>> *Mobile*: +44 774 776 2816* >>> * >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >>> Problems? >>> >http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: >http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: >http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot >be >>> deleted >> >> -- >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: >http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot >be >> deleted >> > >-- >Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >Problems? >http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: >http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >deleted > > >-- >Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org >Problems? >http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: >http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ >All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >deleted -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. 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