I am so glad to see this sentiment expressed. Who am I and all, but I
found Nelson's comments (and actions, if a ban was indeed placed for
the half hour between his declaration and retraction of the ban)
extremely inappropriate.
I personally read Fred's account of the hearing raptly, and I think
that Jay's comment in that thread was also very intelligent. I remember
thinking, "Huh, that was well said." And I opened a reply to that post
in order to say so, but I wanted to keep reading through my unread
FC-discusses, so as not to be redundant.
So let's not with the banning, ok? It's a little antithetical to our
permissive culture, don't you think? I understand that we have things
to get done and what not, but the Viacom v. Google trial is not at all
a "local event." That's national and international, man.
Conor
Elizabeth Stark wrote:
I don't think we should ban anyone from this list unless
absolutely necessary. Further, sometimes there is interesting info and
commentary surrounding local events (or even recordings of it, etc.)
So yes, I agree that this is not the place to promote local events, but
I do think that commentary surrounding something that might be going on
may be relevant at times.
(Also, as an aside, I am now going to the hearing tomorrow because Fred
posted this to the list...)
On 10/26/07, Nelson Pavlosky <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hm....
Good point Tim! I guess the difference is that Jay promised not
to post local things, and Fred didn't make that promise. But that is
kind of arbitrary, and to be honest I didn't notice Fred's post.
Alright, I'll unban Jay this time... you're free to post again, Jay!
Just don't do it again.
Generally, posting local events to this list is grounds for a banning
(that includes you Fred!), especially when NYC has its own local mailing
list. Unless it's a conference or something that you would expect
people to travel many miles for, e.g. Wikimania or something that e.g.
has funding for travel, please don't post your local events here. Let's
keep the traffic relevant to everyone on here.
Peace,
~Nelson~
Timothy Cowlishaw wrote:
> Erm.. Nelson, didn't Fred also send this event to the list
yesterday
> at 2253 (BST) - with the subject line "[FC-discuss] Fwd: Google v.
> Viacom Tomorrow". Am curious to know why one instance is
apparently
> grounds for a banning, and not the other....
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> Tim
>
>
> On 26 Oct 2007, at 08:33, Nelson Pavlosky wrote:
>
>
>> Sorry Jay, but you did promise to stop posting notices of
local events
>> to this global discussion list, and I don't think that this is
of
>> interest to people outside New York City. You're banned from
>> posting again.
>>
>> If anyone is interested in continuing to see Jay's NYC local
posts,
>> please join <http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nyc>
and
>> talk about NYC things there!
>>
>> Peace,
>> ~Nelson~
>>
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>
>>> I resend a notice from Fred Benenson, head of NYU Free
Culture
>>> Club. The notice of this important action at law is
appended.
>>>
>>> Personal Note:
>>>
>>> Listening to and seeing such a case argued before a judge
is
>>> seldom boring. If you go you will likely be astonished at
more
>>> than one thing.
>>>
>>> Appearing at court to listen, and to learn, is
important. It is
>>> also important that we show up so that the other side
knows that
>>> we will not lose this engagement by default. Speak to
reporters.
>>> Reporters are usually intelligent and usually want to
learn, but
>>> often they are remarkably ignorant. A careful clarity of
>>> _expression_, and a gentle stroking of the flanks, will
sometimes
>>> loosen a bit the grip of The Official Story on the mind of
the
>>> reporter.
>>>
>>> Jay Sulzberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Corresponding Secretary LXNY
>>> LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
>>> http://www.lxny.org
>>>
>>>
>>> <blockquote
>>> what="notice of time and date of court action">
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:53:59 -0400
>>> From: "Fred Benenson" <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> To: "Free Culture @ NYU's list serv" <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: [free-culture] Google v. Viacom Tomorrow
>>> Reply-To: "Fred Benenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>> Free Culture @ NYU,
>>>
>>> So one of the benefits of living in a self-proclaimed
democracy
>>> is that at least some of the court trials are mostly open
to the
>>> public. That means that when Viacom sues Google for ONE
BILLION
>>> DOLLARS over YouTube's "infinite amount of infringement"
we're
>>> allowed to sit in on all the court room antics.
>>>
>>> I attended the first (and last, as far as I can tell)
hearing and
>>> it was a scheduling hearing. Despite a stern warning from
my
>>> lawyer friends that the hearing would be immensely
boring, I
>>> really enjoyed it. The two sides ended up getting into
their
>>> arguments in a very inappropriate and entertaining way.
>>>
>>> Now, I have no idea whether tomorrow will have the same
kind of
>>> fireworks, but I am certainly intending on being there.
There
>>> were mostly reporters and lawyers (especially one lawyer
who kept
>>> on sneering when Google would say stuff like "How are we
supposed
>>> to take responsibility for an 'infinite amount of
>>> infringement?'") last time and I felt a little out of
place with
>>> a t-shirt, so you might consider wearing something nice
if you
>>> don't want to feel awkward.
>>>
>>> Anyway, here's the information:
>>>
>>> Google v. Viacom <http://news.justia.com/cases/337988/
>
>>> 4pm, Friday October 26th 2007
>>> Room 21C
>>> Judge Louis L. Stanton
>>> United States Courthouse
>>> 500 Pearl Street<
http://www.justia.com/us-states/new-york/courts/
>>> southern/district_court/main-office.html>
>>> New York, NY 10007-1312*Phone:* 212-805-0136
>>>
>>> If anyone wants to meet up, I'll be outside (or maybe in
the
>>> lobby if its
>>> really going to rain) around 3:30.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Fred Benenson
>>> President, Free Culture @ NYU
>>>
>>> </blockquote>
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>>>
>>>
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