The context is online. For example, if I want to share my pc screen with someone else so that we could be tuned to the same content, how many people would need to be connected to me before it is considered a public performance. If the screen is shared with a friend living in another country or maybe more than one, is there a number? A guideline?
And I owe a legal copy of the content, I am in my house the other person in his/hers. On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 12:12 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Discuss mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Public performance number of people? (andrea fassina) > 2. Re: Public performance number of people? (Greg Grossmeier) > 3. Re: Public performance number of people? (Rob Myers) > 4. Re: Public performance number of people? (Adi Kamdar) > 5. Re: Public performance number of people? (Karl Fogel) > 6. Re: Public performance number of people? (Thomas Levine) > 7. 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(Christian Curtis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:20:13 +0100 > From: andrea fassina <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [FC-discuss] Public performance number of people? > Message-ID: > <CAFR2aADx_ypNR4dtzqXO28dJ9OT_QRffQ=nopsdedh2vbrm...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey all > > maybe someone knows the answer, but how many viewers need to be in a room > before the show is considered a public performance? > > > > Ciao > Andrea > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20120210/092ced9e/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:43:00 -0800 > From: Greg Grossmeier <[email protected]> > To: Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in > particular <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] Public performance number of people? > Message-ID: <20120210194300.GB5289@x220> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > It depends. > > <quote name="andrea fassina" date="2012-02-10" time="20:20:13 +0100"> > > Hey all > > > > maybe someone knows the answer, but how many viewers need to be in a room > > before the show is considered a public performance? > > > > > > > > Ciao > > Andrea > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:42:48 +0000 > From: Rob Myers <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] Public performance number of people? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 10/02/12 19:20, andrea fassina wrote: > > > > maybe someone knows the answer, but how many viewers need to be in a > > room before the show is considered a public performance? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performing_rights > > "Performances are considered "public" if they take place in a public > place and the audience is outside of a normal circle of friends and > family, including concerts, nightclubs, restaurants etc. Public > performance also includes broadcast and cable television, radio, and any > other transmitted performance of a live song." > > So I think its more context than number, and so I'd guess one *if* it's > not your friend or family and it's not your apartment. But maybe there's > some useful case law on the subject. > > - Rob. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:56:42 -0500 > From: Adi Kamdar <[email protected]> > To: Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in > particular <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] Public performance number of people? > Message-ID: > <caedjnatqzdnhm_rw-mvnwxuvwiarogytuqfdew3qsxfpiew...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Yeah, context is key?there aren't any hard lines or numbers. There also > seems to be some deference to the nature of the performance?if it's > commercial, if it's in an educational context, etc. > > for example: > > http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/110.html > > Adi > > > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Rob Myers <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 10/02/12 19:20, andrea fassina wrote: > > > > > > maybe someone knows the answer, but how many viewers need to be in a > > > room before the show is considered a public performance? > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performing_rights > > > > "Performances are considered "public" if they take place in a public > > place and the audience is outside of a normal circle of friends and > > family, including concerts, nightclubs, restaurants etc. Public > > performance also includes broadcast and cable television, radio, and any > > other transmitted performance of a live song." > > > > So I think its more context than number, and so I'd guess one *if* it's > > not your friend or family and it's not your apartment. But maybe there's > > some useful case law on the subject. > > > > - Rob. > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20120210/f6539a80/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:19:14 -0600 > From: Karl Fogel <[email protected]> > To: Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in > particular <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] Public performance number of people? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Adi Kamdar <[email protected]> writes: > >Yeah, context is key?there aren't any hard lines or numbers. There > >also seems to be some deference to the nature of the performance?if > >it's commercial, if it's in an educational context, etc. > > > >for example: > > > >http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/110.html > > Remember: if you don't have to ask a lawyer, then the law isn't doing > its job :-). > > -K > > >On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Rob Myers <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 10/02/12 19:20, andrea fassina wrote: > > > > > > maybe someone knows the answer, but how many viewers need to be > > in a > > > room before the show is considered a public performance? > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performing_rights > > > > "Performances are considered "public" if they take place in a > > public > > place and the audience is outside of a normal circle of friends > > and > > family, including concerts, nightclubs, restaurants etc. Public > > performance also includes broadcast and cable television, radio, > > and any > > other transmitted performance of a live song." > > > > So I think its more context than number, and so I'd guess one *if* > > it's > > not your friend or family and it's not your apartment. But maybe > > there's > > some useful case law on the subject. > > > > - Rob. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Discuss mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:37:06 -0500 > From: Thomas Levine <[email protected]> > To: Karl Fogel <[email protected]>, Discussion of Free > Culture in general and this organization in particular > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] Public performance number of people? > Message-ID: > <CANKQ-Hrgg0=ASos8eURoq3mvwP=f4gdHF3383jknFA=5ato...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Hmm... if a video plays in a national park and no one is around to watch > it, is it being performed publically? > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Karl Fogel <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Adi Kamdar <[email protected]> writes: > > >Yeah, context is key?there aren't any hard lines or numbers. There > > >also seems to be some deference to the nature of the performance?if > > >it's commercial, if it's in an educational context, etc. > > > > > >for example: > > > > > >http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/110.html > > > > Remember: if you don't have to ask a lawyer, then the law isn't doing > > its job :-). > > > > -K > > > > >On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Rob Myers <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 10/02/12 19:20, andrea fassina wrote: > > > > > > > > maybe someone knows the answer, but how many viewers need to be > > > in a > > > > room before the show is considered a public performance? > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performing_rights > > > > > > "Performances are considered "public" if they take place in a > > > public > > > place and the audience is outside of a normal circle of friends > > > and > > > family, including concerts, nightclubs, restaurants etc. Public > > > performance also includes broadcast and cable television, radio, > > > and any > > > other transmitted performance of a live song." > > > > > > So I think its more context than number, and so I'd guess one *if* > > > it's > > > not your friend or family and it's not your apartment. But maybe > > > there's > > > some useful case law on the subject. > > > > > > - Rob. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Discuss mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Discuss mailing list > > >[email protected] > > >http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20120210/595e202d/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:11:55 -0800 > From: Christian Curtis <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] Public performance number of people? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > Yes. The definition in 17 U.S.C. 101 uses the disjunctive. Thus, > if the place is open to the public, the number of attendees is irrelevant. > > --Christian > > On 2/10/2012 2:37 PM, Thomas Levine wrote: > > Hmm... if a video plays in a national park and no one is around to > > watch it, is it being performed publically? > > > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Karl Fogel > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > wrote: > > > > Adi Kamdar <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > writes: > > >Yeah, context is key---there aren't any hard lines or numbers. There > > >also seems to be some deference to the nature of the > performance---if > > >it's commercial, if it's in an educational context, etc. > > > > > >for example: > > > > > >http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/110.html > > > > Remember: if you don't have to ask a lawyer, then the law isn't doing > > its job :-). > > > > -K > > > > >On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Rob Myers <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > On 10/02/12 19:20, andrea fassina wrote: > > > > > > > > maybe someone knows the answer, but how many viewers need to be > > > in a > > > > room before the show is considered a public performance? > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performing_rights > > > > > > "Performances are considered "public" if they take place in a > > > public > > > place and the audience is outside of a normal circle of friends > > > and > > > family, including concerts, nightclubs, restaurants etc. Public > > > performance also includes broadcast and cable television, radio, > > > and any > > > other transmitted performance of a live song." > > > > > > So I think its more context than number, and so I'd guess one > > *if* > > > it's > > > not your friend or family and it's not your apartment. But maybe > > > there's > > > some useful case law on the subject. > > > > > > - Rob. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Discuss mailing list > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Discuss mailing list > > >[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > >http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.freeculture.org/pipermail/discuss/attachments/20120210/01d16b20/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > > End of Discuss Digest, Vol 62, Issue 4 > ************************************** >
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