i wonder if this could help: http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
seems unneedingly douchey to simply link to the fallacies instead of actually spelling them out in the response, but it's a useful reference and for us while writing a response and for any readers of our response who are confused (so we can include it at the end). On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:35 AM, abram stern (aphid) <[email protected]>wrote: > That'd be fantastic. I've seen the Lowery piece passed around by a few > bands I like and have a lot of respect for, and don't really have the > bandwidth atm to craft a pithy response. > -a > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Jennifer Baek <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I like the idea of a response fashioned like the one theoatmeal did. >> Maybe we can do both a visual piece as well as a written piece? >> >> I'm on board to help out with both in collaboration with >> Questioncopyright. I'm in DC for the summer with too much free time. :> >> >> Jennifer >> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Karl Fogel < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> FWIW, we've just been discussing over at QuestionCopyright.org whether >>> to do a length rebuttal of David Lowery's open letter [1]. >>> >>> While it would take a while to construct a good response [2], on the >>> other hand a good one would likely get some eyeballs -- including some >>> of the people who saw the original. So it's a great opportunity. >>> >>> If anyone here is drafting such a beast, please let us know, here or via >>> http://questioncopyright.org/contact. A truly well-done rebuttal is >>> something we'd love to run; we've just got other stuff in the pipeline >>> right now that makes it hard to draft a response to this too (lesson #1: >>> number of opportunities will always exceed available resources :-) ). >>> >>> I saw http://piratepad.net/KY6e7xIdkm which is a good brainstorm of >>> ideas, but not, of course, a finished piece. >>> >>> -Karl >>> >>> [1] >>> http://thetrichordist.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/letter-to-emily-white-at- >>> npr-all-songs-considered/<http://thetrichordist.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/letter-to-emily-white-at-npr-all-songs-considered/> >>> >>> [2] http://theoatmeal.com/blog/tesla_response is one rather nice example >>> of how to do such rebuttals :-). >>> >>> Nate Otto <[email protected]> writes: >>> >I love how the " the duration of the copyright term is pretty much >>> >irrelevant for an ethical discussion." is so casually slipped in >>> >there. >>> > >>> >The main thrust of what I've read so far is that it is not government's >>> >responsibility to ensure that artists are fairly compensated. Except >>> >that it is explicitly Congress's job to "promote the progress of >>> >science and the useful arts" through arranging the underlying >>> >principles of the marketplace. >>> > >>> >Governments so far have set up a metaphor of intellectual property to >>> >guide this marketplace, and this article is fully grounded in that >>> >tradition. I think there are problems with that metaphor that are >>> >brought to our attention by what digital technology makes possible. >>> > >>> >In giving advice to people who want to work in the music industry, I >>> >would point to reports like "The Sky is Rising" that Ali linked to and >>> >encourage people to embrace the possibilities of business models not >>> >built on the artificial scarcity of digital objects. It is not moral >>> >to create scarcity out of abundance for the cause of rent seeking. >>> > >>> >This all might not be relevant to SFC's response to the piece, but I >>> >completely agree that this is a moral discussion. >>> > >>> >But not all moral premises are valid. When budgeting morally, what >>> >percent of income does a generation in an average of $25k of debt have >>> >to spend on CDs? As much as their parents could spend? >>> > >>> >Anyway, there is a moral discussion to be had, but it does not start >>> >from accepting every metaphor that guided the music business before it >>> >became possible to distribute all music to everyone who wanted it >>> >without additional costs. >>> > >>> >I may have more to add in a day or two, the next time I come up for >>> >air. >>> > >>> >-Nate >>> > >>> >_______________________________________________ >>> >Discuss mailing list >>> >[email protected] >>> >http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > -- http://www.madebyparker.com
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