Hi all Interesting views in there!
…as not a python guru (think dangerous scientific programmer, not software engineer), I really like notebooks and use them all the time. It’s easy to see how things run and kinda friendly. I do have some process around graduating real code - ie notebooks are for assembling a system with quick feedback - and iterating toward code niceness (modules and things) before graduating to Vcode and version control. My python life started in sypder, but I’ve all but abandoned it in favour of notebooks (build/prototype) + VScode (deploy). I think prettiness and some form of sequential order to ‘build’ a process up trumps proper codeworthiness in terms of getting people started. They’re also super useful for showing how things work to non-technical folks. It’s OK to not like notebooks; and it’s OK to use them where they fit really well. Perhaps teaching software engineering isn’t that place. ?? Cheers Adam On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 at 07:43, Luis Pedro Coelho <[email protected]> wrote: > I like the idea of notebooks more than I like actual notebooks. I tried to > use them in my analyses for a long time, but eventually gave up as there > are too many small annoyances (some that the talk goes over, others that it > does not, such as the fact that they do not integrate well with git). > > For teaching, I still think they work well, especially in a short setting > like a carpentries course (as opposed to a semester-long course). However, > it requires a lot of time to make a good tutorial in Jupyter, more than > what I used before, which was a mix of slides and interactive typing on > ipython. > > My feeling (and I may be wrong) is that Jupyter notebooks are seen as a > best-practice and people are very happy when I tell them my tutorial will > be a jupyter notebook (which just incentives me to keep using jupyter > notebooks in tutorials). I may be interpreting the feeling wrong or that > people are wrong for congratulating me on using jupyter. > > Just my 2 cents, > Luis > > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2018, at 10:47 PM, Konrad Förstner wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > these are the slide of Joel Grus' Jupyter Con talk "I Don't Like > > Notebooks": > > > > > https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1n2RlMdmv1p25Xy5thJUhkKGvjtV-dkAIsUXP-AL4ffI/edit#slide=id.g362da58057_0_1 > > > > Beside the fact that this talk is it really funny, it raises a lot of > > issues that I can confirm from my experience: > > > > - hidden states > > - encouraging bad habits and discouraging good habits > > - less powerful help tooltip than in a proper IDEs > > - copy and paste between different media is hard > > > > I personally really like Jupyter Notebooks for teaching (while it > > never made into my data analysis tool box) but this talked motivated > > me to rethink its usage and maybe I will try to jump earlier than > > before into a proper IDE when I am teaching Python. Anaconda comes > > with Spyder so there is a good alternative already at hand. > > > > I would be interested in hearing your thoughts regarding this. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Konrad > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > The Carpentries: discuss > > Permalink: > > > https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/T1505f74d7f6e32f8-M84f62eac740739ea0a0f32af > > Delivery options: > > https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/subscription > > ------------------------------------------ > The Carpentries: discuss > Permalink: > https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/T1505f74d7f6e32f8-M32178a81ac946fc18adba348 > Delivery options: > https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/subscription > -- Adam Steer https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Adam_Steer http://au.linkedin.com/in/adamsteer http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0046-7236 +61 427 091 712 skype: adam.d.steer tweet: @adamdsteer ------------------------------------------ The Carpentries: discuss Permalink: https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/T1505f74d7f6e32f8-Mb52b9e57368eec5ccfcaf7a1 Delivery options: https://carpentries.topicbox.com/groups/discuss/subscription
