Just for the record… I do -- or rather Nexenta does -- continue to sponsor
Albert Lee's work (through actually paying him up to 20% for his time) on
OpenIndiana.
Furthermore, the exact *point* of illumian is so that Nexenta resources can be
brought to bear to contribute to OpenIndiana, even if only indirectly by
working on expanding and updating the set of packages that both OpenIndiana and
illumian will use. I just cannot abide the use of IPS in our product -- hence
illumian and use of dpkg.
I am however grateful of the effort that you and the OI team have put into OI,
and indeed, I intend that even if indirectly - I will work to further OI itself.
So, Alasdair, you and I need to meet privately, and work this out, because
clearly we are misunderstanding one another. I'm very dismayed that you think
I'm not interested in helping out OI -- when I think my own actions demonstrate
quite the reverse. (I may not *personally* work on porting packages to OI, but
I think most people here would agree that my time is probably better spent
working on the common kernel and device drivers that we share. At the moment
I'm very much occupied with work relating to future Intel platforms… which I
think we all want to see supported well, right?)
Rationale people will often disagree -- sometimes vehemently. Its *okay*,
maybe even its good. Lets just remember that we're all trying to benefit the
greater good here, okay?
- Garrett
On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:50 PM, Alasdair Lumsden wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Thank you all for letting me air my protests, I'm sorry if I have been overly
> angry on this whole issue. I care greatly about not just the success of OI,
> but as Illumos and all its distributions as a whole. When we make decisions I
> want them to be the right ones, not short sighted or selfish ones.
>
> I do disagree with the decision to create a new community distribution (I
> know some of you think it isn't new because it replaces NCP, but really, it
> is a new distro - something with a new name and different contents is "new"),
> for the reasons I've stated previously. But I have spoken with Igor on IRC
> (who for those who don't recognise the name, seems to be doing most of the
> work of building Illumian) and he really wants us to collaborate on this,
> including having the Illumian build servers spit out IPS packages too. So the
> spirit of collaboration seems to be alive to the benefit both projects.
>
> So, what I'm trying to say is, that if we really do work together on this
> then I can see us all benefiting overall.
>
> And hey, competition can sometimes be a good motivator. Ultimately we all
> want Illumos (which is effectively the important bit) to thrive, and we'll
> both be working on the same end result - just different packages.
>
> But I still do feel let down that none of the established commercial players
> have directly contributed to OI since its launch. We have faced a very hard
> uphill battle from the very beginning, and it is quite frankly a miracle that
> OI exists at all. We have all worked very hard on it, and please remember, we
> are unpaid! Most of those that contribute to Illumos are paid to do so. If OI
> had paid developers I imagine things would be very different indeed.
>
> I am also sad when people like Garrett complain about our lack of progress,
> complain about the name, it's always complaints, never praise. As a project,
> our devs and myself feel completely unappreciated by the Illumos team. People
> like e^pi from Joyent calling pkg "shit" on #illumos endlessly, all the
> bickering, it just tires us all out.
>
> Some contributions from those who benefit indirectly from OpenIndiana would
> really lift our spirits, as would some appreciation for our efforts and a pat
> on the back. I hope that's not too much to ask for. It has the benefit of
> costing very little, too.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alasdair
>
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