"removing oneself from the list is absolutely part of the solution options "

Why would any one of us have to bow out to discuss this. It's ludicrous.
Last I checked - even with the current administration - most of the bill of
rights is still in tact. Or am I naive?

- W

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On Jun 6, 2008, at 2:18 PM, Todd Zaki Warfel wrote:
>
>  No kidding. Banning any discussions on this list that have to do with
>> patents is just plain silly.
>>
>
> I just re-read everything I wrote today. No where in my messages did I use
> the word "ban." There are many viable solutions, and yes, removing oneself
> from the list is absolutely part of the solution options for some of us. But
> I want to make sure people don't think I'm proposing banning anything as I'm
> not. However...
>
>  As many others have said, we have the right and need to be able to discuss
>> this, as it definitely impacts our ability to do our work.
>>
>
> On that note, I think this may need clarification. If by "discuss this" you
> mean the business, practitioner or philosophical issues and at high level,
> about one company suing another over tools some designers use and need for
> their work, I absolutely agree. But if by "discuss this" you means the
> details of the patents themselves as part of that discussion -- what they
> say, what was patented, how it was patented, etc -- that would be different
> and inappropriate for an organization that aims to support professional
> product designers.
>
>  The actions of iRise could be interpreted as monopolizing the market, or
>> trying bully Axure out of existence. We have the right to know about this
>> and discuss it's impact on our market.
>>
>
> Given this statement, I presume you mean the former in what I stated above.
> I agree it's an issue that should be vetted. But as a community of
> professionals who work in the high-technology, people *have* to be cognizant
> of the very real legal implications of how something like this is discussed
> on a practitioner supported discussion list.
>
> I think Josh has stated the IxDA's position and action items elegantly.
> They all get the issue, its complexity and the implications. They'll do the
> appropriate thing and just need some time to figure it out.
>
> Enjoy the weekend. I'll leave this one alone again for a while.
>
> --
> Andrei Herasimchuk
>
> Principal, Involution Studios
> innovating the digital world
>
>
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