What David said.
I think as a group we could really put a lot more work into supporting and
recognizing the work that goes into some of the things this list is so ready
to dissect... to be more supportive as an international team.... but it's
late, so I will step down off this box.

In lieu of my supportive rant, I'll simply post a link to a youtube clip.
If you haven't had a chance to see Scott Berkin's talk about the Myth's of
Innovation, it's an interesting side dish to this topic, and in line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6gaj6huCp0



On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:36 PM, dave malouf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a question about everyone's "gorilla arm" concern.
> Is web browsing (the primary thing we are talking about here) a
> sovereign activity like say composition? Or let me be more precise,
> unlike say photoshop which is about 90% mouse control, does web
> browsing really require the same percentage of "flex" time? Isn't
> there quite a bit of rest moments when using a web browser. For
> example, I have not touched my mouse once since the moment I focused
> on this text area to type, yet I'm in a web browser, no?
>
> I often feel that people who are concerned about the ergonomics of it
> all are well decontextualizing the action and making a generalization.
>
> Putting that aside for a moment. Why is it that this group is so
> freakin' negative? Am I the only person who sees the possibilities
> and wants to dig deeper into those? Sometimes (and maybe this was
> Andrei's point about Cuil) when doing concept work like this (not
> that Cuil was a concept, but this surely is), it is probably a better
> process to dig out the positive elements instead of jumping straight
> into negativity. Here's why:
> 1) Negativity breeds judgement which stifles conversation.
> 2) We will loose the positive nuggets of this exploration, meaning we
> loose the hope of building, incorporating, assimilating even the
> smallest aspects of positive contribution.
>
> So what did I like?
> 1) The attempt to re-think the organization of "what is important to
> me?" (avoiding the use of the term favorite, or bookmark)
> 2) How collaboration as a scenario was done. I often struggle w/
> "web co-browsing" as a scenario, but I know it happens all the
> time. Mostly between my wife and I when I'm at work and she is at
> home. I think the scenario they portrayed was friendly and realistic
> and their solutions were intriguing.
> 3) The manipulation, and objectification of any and all data
> units/collections/representations. This was probably the biggest
> thing there and contributed to a big useful area of collaboration in
> the business stting.
>
> I'm going to move right on to the next segment (take a look if you
> haven't). It's the mobile setting:
> 1) Location Base Services mashed with "personal cloud". I thought
> this was nicely done including the privacy components.
>
> 2) When to/how to share amongst groups of individuals and the means
> for declaring those groups was really well done.
>
> 3) I loved the concept of "what's along my path" from pt starting
> to point ending. That "context" is not commonly understood in most
> LBS applications. It is mostly radius derived, and not path derived.
>
> 4) Symmetry between the UI in the desktop and the mobile device.
>
> I'm all for critique as much as the next guy. It is one of the
> defining practices of design, but folks, please ... can we move from
> negativity to constructive criticism, please? BTW, constructive
> criticism usually only works in juxtaposition with appreciation.
>
> I'd also be curious as to the references some people are implying to
> the redundancy, or co-opting of other's ideas. I'd love some
> pointers, personally. BTW, building off of other people's ideas and
> recreating a new whole is one of the best definitions of innovation I
> have seen. And if ya look at the history of Apple, you can see that is
> exactly what they've done.
>
> Again, Kudos to the AP team.
>
> -- dave
>
>
>
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