dave malouf wrote:
There is nothing wrong with wanting to have quality engineering done
efficiently with the goal of the customer in mind (BTW do we design
for "customers" or "humans" or "humanity"?) but the developer
at his soul is a carpenter there to take the order of the architect,
contractor and building mogul.

Yet amazingly enough, we ignorant developers managed to create all sorts of amazing products in the 80s and 90s without designers holding our hands or telling us where to put the pixels or what color they should be.

If your (collective, not just Dave) general attitude towards developers is that they are robots ignorant of design or aesthetics who exist only to do your bidding, I think you have bigger problems than how to implement agile or whatever.

When I started writing visualization software and implementing infrastructure at startups, it wasn't because "at [my] soul" I wanted to do the bidding of designers. It was because I got to find and solve really hard problems and work with really bright people at the same time.

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