----- Original Message ----- > On Sep 10, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Yves Dorfsman <y...@zioup.com> wrote: > > > - $ compared to the rest of the industry in this geographical area. > > If you don't mention it, I'll assume you pay less than average. > > As a small K-12 that's about to post for a net/sys admin next week, > this is always the killer for us. I'll try to mention all the fun > stuff we do and job perks (low stress, lots of variety, > semi-flexible schedule, free food). However, when it comes to > selling the low salary it's tricky. > > That said, are there any objective measures of salary for sysadmin > work in .edu? I'm told that we're paying market rate compared to > other small K-12, but haven't been able to vet that. Additionally, > if that truly is market rate in our sector, it's well below that of > other industries (that's part of why I'm looking for someone new). > > Just trying to figure out if we are paying something "reasonable" or > if we're doomed to lose people once they get better offers. > > Jason >
Where I work, salary is a challenge as well....I started here at 40% cut from what I was making before....I'm still way down.... since salaries have been a hot topic on campus lately....there had been a report putting our median salaries are 77% the median of our peer institutions. Or that we're on this campaign to be in the top 50 public research universities to 2025, and that our median is below the bottom of the top 50.... If only we could get a job posting to explain all the perks, though it was really hard finding information on stuff.... But, I had trouble finding things out on my own browsing our website. I did find things like 22 days of vacation per year, no preexisting conditions clause in health insurance (though I didn't let my coverage lapse while waiting to get coverage here...but heard of people during the employee orientation doing that.) Of course, such things won't apply soon. The mandatory retirement plan that takes 5.5% of your gross, and matches it with 8.5% of your gross.... Plus two voluntary plans allowing up to 15k/yr each (probably more now....) Or that its not we can ... but we're expected to take at least one training and attend one conference each year. Found out in my first performance review that I should get dinged for not having taken any training or gone to a conference in the past year...but they would wave it because I had started mid-year. The following year, I did a week of training in St. Louis and went to my first LISA in Dallas. The year after that it was a week in Ft. Lauderdale and my second LISA in San Diego. The following year, I got a week of training in Kansas City before such things came to a halt. Where talk of furloughs or layoffs started floating around. Though the decline in continuing education support for us, could also be that we used to be the vice provost we were under handled ITS and continuing education. Where at an IT retreat, she said she expected us to be able to leave our jobs better than when we were hired. The following year, she was forced to retire and they split continuing education away from ITS (where eventually we went to having a CIO.) It was also during the week I was in Kansas City, that an EF4 tornado hopped across campus.... There's only been one state funded raise in the 7+ years that I've been here.... 2%.... there were one or two unfunded 1% raises...which nobody got. Though in recent years we've gotten mid-year tuition funded raises. We're about to enter a 3 year plan to make a start on the salary issue...where the Chair of our board of regents has commented that year 3 is rather generous in his opinion.....though the projection is that we'll then only be 66% below median. Plus there can be lots of things to do in and around campus....and the scenery is nice too. Plus there's over 100 different species of trees on campus. One of these days, I should do the tree walk. Though my former $boss used to refer to the students when its nice out as being a perk..... My brother first met his wife when she was a freshman at a university he was guest instructor for a semester at. We once tried to get a new hire in at market, because they had once suggested that once we did..the would work on bringing us all up to market. But, when it came to salary negotiation...they said that's director pay and they couldn't do that. They countered with 20k more than our manager, but it was turned down. The person that had left position we were trying to refill, found out what had been offered and said he'd come back for that. For now I'm still here....but if I can stuff like what I have here, but with more money (and perhaps less responsibility)....I'd probably jump ship....which is basically what my now former $boss did. He gets to be just a sysadmin again, which is all he ever wanted before he was pushed from team lead to manager and then acting director.... Lawrence _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.lopsa.org https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators http://lopsa.org/
