On Jul 22, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Elijah Wright <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Derek Balling <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> No matter how many people "want" it otherwise, the ISPs built those
>> networks, invested billions of dollars in them, and nobody else other than
>> their shareholders should have a say how traffic is managed on them.
> 
> The government is us.  Vote.  And raise hell.
> 
> Don't forget the enormous subsidies that have been paid out to telcos and 
> cable
> companies, one way or another, over the years.  It's not just the monopoly -- 
> it's that
> we paid for a ton of stuff (lines, trenching, gear, whatever) , and there is 
> not an obvious ROI.

Unless you put those caveats on the subsidies, etc., you don't get to change 
the rules later. Just as I don't to make a donation to the Red Cross in 2003 
and then say in 2014 "Hey, remember that $100 I gave you? It means I get to 
change how you operate today."   That's just not how it works. 

> Various companies have been milking the tit to get folks hooked on "on 
> demand" video
> and fast internet -- yes, Virginia, there is a santa claus -- for years, and 
> not properly
> accounting for growth (trend lines, anyone?) and the eventual need for rapid 
> expansion.  Instead,
> the money was probably paid out in profits / dividends.

The counterpoint to that is that various companies have been milking the ISPs, 
believing they could flow as much video traffic through those peering-points as 
they wanted, oblivious to whether or not the other side was prepared to invest 
in the infrastructure necessary to keep the video business functional.

Because let's be clear: Netflix needs the last-mile folks a metric ton more 
than the last-mile folks need Netflix. And it's just ass-u-me'd that those 
carriers would continue to bear the burden of upgrading infrastructure to keep 
their bits flowing.

D



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