FWIW, what I want to ensure happens is that the issue of partnering with 
LocationTech does not get conflated with fixing how FOSS4G is managed.

What is clear is that things cannot continue to go on as they have, especially 
if OSGeo is serious about expanding FOSS4G, both in size and scope. I believe 
the organization it at a cross-roads with FOSS4G, and it’s a choice between 
expanding the conference with the help of a professional, or letting the 
conference stagnate (and hence OSGeo stagnate). It is simply as large as it can 
get under the current structure. And given that there’s already been one flame 
out, arguably already too big. 

Unless things change, and change soon, there will be another failure like 
Bejing. It’s that simple. It’s past time to grow up and start acting like the 
conference(s) are OSGeo’s lifeline — which they are.

Though one proposed path to adulthood for FOSS4G involves LocationTech, it’s 
not the only possible solution.

I see three ways to do this, each with advantages and disadvantages:

1) Contract an outside PCO on an ongoing basis
2) Hire a staff person to be the organizer
3) Partner with LocationTech

I’ll address each of these in turn :

1) Contract an outside PCO

This is the easiest thing to do. In fact, and this is very important to 
understand: OSGeo already hires an outside PCO, they just do so from scratch on 
an annual basis, in the most inefficient way possible.

If you want the really easy way out, hire the one we used this year. They did a 
good job at a reasonable price. They were already discussing with the Korea 
team about continuing the contract with them.

If you want to be more formal, solicit bids and choose one that way.

However you choose, choose with the assumption that the contract is an ongoing 
one as long as both parties are satisfied.

Disadvantages:
The only real objection I’ve heard to doing it this way is that it’s good to 
have someone with local knowledge. My response is that this is simply false. In 
fact, we chose our PCO in part based on that assumption. We were wrong. Heck, 
one of them even commented to me that it was a nice change to do a conference 
in Portland, since they hadn’t done so in years.
Some lack of flexibility: if OSGeo wants to expand the role (see below), then 
it requires a renegotiation of the contract, and a general PCO may not be the 
right choice for that role.
Advantages:
Institutional knowledge. The conference knowledge carries on in the 
organization, and is hopefully not entirely imbued in one person. 
Simplicity. We’re already doing it — just poorly.

2) Hire a staff person to be the organizer

This is more risk, but also offers more potential.

Advantages:

Having a staff person allow OSGeo to be more flexible in organizing 
conferences. Is there a budding regional conference that needs some assistance? 
We can help with that. Would OSGeo like to foster growth in regions without a 
local FOSS4G event? OSGeo can do that. 

Disadvantages:

You would only have one staff person, which means more risk of losing 
institutional knowledge if that person leaves.
Potential for no being seen as less of/no longer a volunteer led organization. 
(Personally, I think this fear is overwrought, but that doesn’t make it any 
less real. OSGeo already outsources jobs which its membership isn't qualified 
to do, for instance lawyers, accountants, and yes even PCOs.)
Hiring is hard, and takes time, especially to find a good autonomous person to 
take on this role

3) Partner with LocationTech

Obviously in the current context, this is a loaded proposition. I appreciate 
that there’s fear of take over or of “losing” FOSS4G and its income. I believe 
that can be allayed with a properly written contract. There seems to be a lot 
of speculation about what a partnership means, and not a lot of facts. 

I see this partnership as starting with LocationTech serving as a PCO and 
nothing more.  If both parties later want to expand that relationship, that can 
be done, but start with the PCO and treat it as no different than the proposal 
in (1).

Advantages:
LocationTech works in the same space, has contacts, and the Eclipse Foundation 
already runs conferences
Potential for future, deepened partnerships
Disadvantages:
LocationTech works in the same space, has contacts, and the Eclipse Foundation 
already runs conferences, so there’s a potential for conflicts of interest
If it doesn’t work out for whatever reason, future partnership opportunities 
might be lost

===

Those are a few of my many thoughts on the topic, and on my thoughts for the 
future of OSGeo, but I think it’s important to stay focused on bite-sized 
chunks for right now. If possible, let’s try to keep this (sub-)thread focused 
on the issue of FOSS4G and not on the larger questions about OSGeo.

Darrell


On Sep 16, 2014, at 07:38, Jeff McKenna <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> To clarify publicly, I have no problem with LocationTech, and in fact I feel 
> that its foundation plays an important role in our ecosystem.
> 
> The issue actually boils down to OSGeo's only event, FOSS4G.  We, as OSGeo, 
> present this event each year and it is a large part of our annual revenue.  
> It is very important to the OSGeo foundation, as it is our flagship event.
> 
> It was made clear to me that LocationTech is not interested in having their 
> own global event, and that they are in fact interested in our event, FOSS4G.
> 
> So maybe to remove this stress, or "fear", I would prefer to pull back on the 
> throttle, start with an MoU between the two foundations, and then begin to 
> share booths at events, or donate booths at each other's events.  In other 
> words, take baby steps, and build the relationship slowly, as we do with 
> every other foundation.
> 
> I apologize for not bringing this issue to the community sooner.  In fact 
> this all really came to a head in Portland, and you can see that now we must 
> deal with this all together.
> 
> I always try to represent the entire OSGeo community well, if you feel that I 
> have made mistakes please share this here with everyone.  I am here to 
> represent you.
> 
> The last few days have been very hard on me.
> 
> -jeff
> OSGeo President
> 

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