Darrel,
Excellently stated ideas! We, OSGeo need to acknowledge our weaknesses if we are going to address them!

Your ideas will provide the incoming board with a great framework to start discussions. I'm hopeful that you will be available to expand upon these themes that you have raised, and help OSGeo and the OSGeo board identify ideas for implementation?

Expanding upon your question about "what is the importance of OSGeo?" Ie, what does OSGeo provide which isn't available elsewhere?

* I'd say "OSGeo" provides a brand. The OSGeo brand stands for quality, standards compliance, Open Source Geospatial Software, and associated Open Source communities. This is defined in the OSGeo Incubation process [1] and reflected in the charters of our projects.

* OSGeo also stands for a marketing pipeline, which is embodied in the FOSS4G conferences and OSGeo-Live. Marketing is also gained through DebianGIS, UbuntuGIS packaging.

* I also see the education initiatives as becoming an upcoming focus area for OSGeo. I see huge (mostly untapped) potential to integrate training initiatives with project development communities. A full time employee dedicated to this integration could make an impressive difference. (I'm thinking about using a similar process to that used by the OSGeo-Live project [2] )

With regards to your idea of shipping the board away to a physical location to discuss solutions. I think that would be a good idea if the breadth of the OSGeo community were in the room. However we have some incredibly intelligent and insightful people in our OSGeo community, and not all of them are on our current board. Some have served on prior boards. Some, such as yourself, have contributed hugely to OSGeo in other ways, but never served on the board. I'd be hopeful that we could thrash out some of these ideas in a public forum first, which hopefully will help the board draw upon the insights of our greater community. (I do note Darrel's very valid point about the difference between talk and action. Of late, there have been less ideas converted to action.)

Warm regards, Cameron

[1] http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html
[2] http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordinating.html

On 26/09/2015 4:40 pm, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:

Darrel YOU ARE WRONG.... BUT
osgeo is a great and successful community and this alone desrve the OSGeo existence.

Before we only had project oriented communities (mapserver, grass, etc). But now we have a place in the network to get togheter with all projects and users. Aren't we using stack of softwere instead of a single solution very often?
FOSS4G is where we exchange ideas, create innovation and get fun also.

Some excellent work is done also in some working groups... incubation and geo4all for example...

So you are WRONG!

BUT.... i have to agree that things could even be better :-)
In my opinion (and this is part of my manifesto even if i still have one more year to serve the board): - we need to redefine objectives of the association cause things have changed (reault framework...) - we need to better promote our valuable software and community (marketing. ..) - we need to review and redefine rules so that they are transparent and clear (communication... ) - we need to lower the rates of our international meetings to be more inclusive
- we need a plan for investment (investment plan..)

So i call for a face2face meeting of 2 days of all the board members in the next months to discuss all these points. Apparently the last board was not able to set a date, but i'm keen that the new board will be able to do it. It will aslo he agood starting point to define our working plan...

The i call all of you charter member to help and do things... continuing in shaking the community but also propose and act to make the world a better place. Then if you think the world would be better without osgeo... well... be part of the community is not mandatory :-)

Best
Proudly member of osgeo
Maxi

Il 25/Set/2015 21:57, "Darrell Fuhriman" <darr...@garnix.org <mailto:darr...@garnix.org>> ha scritto:

    The recent discussion on the board list
    <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2015-September/013172.html>that
    came out of the question of the 2014 videos has got me thinking
    about a few things again, and I want to try to get them out there.

    Grab a mug of your favorite liquid and hunker down, because I put
    some time and effort into this, and your own well considered reply
    is appreciated.

    Keep in mind that all of these comments are coming from my
    personal perspective, which, like everyone’s, is an incomplete
    picture of the whole. Much of what I’m going to say has been
    rolling around my head for a while, so I’m just going to put it
    out there.

    I will start with a provocative thesis:

    OSGeo lacks visionary unified leadership and without it will
    become irrelevant.

    Of course, making such a claim requires support. So let me break
    down the statement.

    “Visionary leadership” is really two things, “vision” and
    “leadership.” I will address each in turn.


        OSGeo lacks vision

    I looked at the list of “Goals” for OSGeo
    <http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/about.html>. I wonder:
    when was the last time these goals were evaluated for both success
    and relevancy?

    Here is my own opinion of success of some of  these goals. (In the
    interest of brevity, I haven’t tried to tackle everything. That’s
    left as an exercise to the reader.)


          Example 1

    To provide resources for foundation projects - eg. infrastructure,
    funding, legal.

    Allow me to break each of those examples down.


            Infrastructure

    It’s true that OSGeo provides some infrastructure, such as Trac
    instance, Mailman, SVN repos. If the budget is to be believed, we
    pay some $3,500/yr to OSUOSL for said infrastructure. I wonder if
    such a service is necessary, however. Issue tracking and source
    control are much better provided by Github, which is free for
    organization such as ours.
    I say this because a) that’s money that could be better spent
    elsewhere and b) supporting these services burns precious
    volunteer time (more on that below).

    There are clear cost savings available, which are not taken
    advantage of. For example, OSGeo could be hosting FOSS4G
    infrastructure: conference websites and registration, a central
    location for conference videos (regardless of platform/provider).
    This neglect is especially galling given that FOSS4G is OSGeo’s
    sole source of income.


            Funding

    OSGeo does not fund projects. It has provided some funds to pay
    for Code Sprints — $15k in 2014 according to the budget
    <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2014>.


            Legal

    I see nothing that has been done on this front recently. Please
    feel free to correct me.


            Conclusion

    OSGeo, where it actually does what it claims, has not adapted in
    ways that could save money.

    My grade: D


        Example 2

    To promote freely available geodata - free software is useless
    without data.

    The geodata working group is dead. As near as I can tell by
    perusing the mailing list archives, and the wiki, there has been
    no meaningful activity in the past two years (maybe more).

    My grade: F


        Example 3

    To promote the use of open source software in the geospatial
    industry (not just foundation software) - eg. PR, training, outreach.

    The Board of Directors
    <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors#Packaging_and_Marketing>page
    says:


            Packaging and Marketing

    OSGeo’s marketing effort has primarily been focused around the
    packaging and documentation efforts of OSGeo-Live, and to a lesser
    extend[sic], osgeo4w. […] It has been entirely driven by volunteer
    labour, with 140 OSGeo-Live volunteers, and printing costs have
    been covered by local events or sponsors. In the last couple of
    years, OSGeo has covered local chapter expenses required to
    purchase non-consumable items for conference booths (such as a
    retractable banner). In moving forward, OSGeo hope to extend
    marketing reach by providing co-contributions toward printing
    costs of consumable items at conferences, such as toward
    OSGeo-Live DVDs.


            Local Chapters

    Much of OSGeo’s marketing initiates are applied at the local
    level. In many cases, this is best supported through as little as
    an email list and wiki page. OSGeo also supports local chapters by
    offering to pay for an Exhibition starter pack for local chapters.
    Local chapters are also usually the coordinators of conferences
    and related events, as mentioned above.

    Exhibition starter packs almost never happen; OSGeo-Live
    explicitlygets no support; and OSGeo struggles to staff a booth at
    its own conferenceto say nothing of any other conferences.

    Note: Local chapters certainly do do marketing and outreach, but
    these efforts are essentially unsupported by the OSGeo Foundation.
    In fact, this goal and the Board of Directors webpage seem to be
    explicitly contradictory.

    My grade: F.


          Commentary

    I could go on with my own personal evaluations, but I’m not sure
    that’s necessary. The only place I see that OSGeo has
    unquestionably succeeded in the past few years is the final goal,
    “To award the Sol Katz award for service to the OSGeo community”.

    So, what’s my point here? It’s simple: there is no longer a
    coherent vision for what OSGeo should be. I’ll return to that
    below, but let me continue with my other point.


        OSGeo lacks leadership

    Again quoting the Board of Directors’ page:

    The board’s primary responsibility is to efficiently and
    effectively make strategic decisions related to the running of OSGeo.

    I won’t bore you with the details, but a perusal of the board
    meeting minutes would indicate that strategyis rarely, if ever, a
    part of the meetings.

    The emphasis on consensus-based decision making often leads to no
    decisions being made. I can’t count the number of discussions that
    have come up on the board list only to devolve into a morass of
    nit-picking and eventual lack of action when everyone tires of the
    discussion. What action that is taken is often to “delegate” to a
    (possibly inactive) sub-committee, then never follow up.

    Instead what we have is a great deal of inertia, little interest
    in changing things, and no clear indication of what the Board’s
    priorities are.

    If priorities do exist, they’re lost in a maze of confusing,
    incomplete and often contradictory information on the wiki. (Wikis
    — like abandonware for documentation.)


        On pending irrelevancy

    I encourage you to ask some random people in the open source
    geospatial community what OSGeo means to them. I would make a bet
    that the most common answer is a blank stare.

    I would ask the board members to come up with three things, other
    than FOSS4G, where the OSGeo membership has shown its importance
    to the community as a wholein the last two years. Something where
    people say, “Did you hear about[exciting thing]OSGeo is doing on
    X?” To be clear, I don’t mean just things that OSGeo has a finger
    in, but things that needOSGeo. If OSGeo disappeared tomorrow,
    would any of these projects be significantly affected?

    I don’t think it can be done. The OSGeo Foundation is sliding into
    irrelevancy — and it may already be there.

    If anything should be seen as strategic for OSGeo, it’s FOSS4G,
    the foundation’s primary (sole?) source of income. Even regarding
    its flagship public event, the board is largely absent. Rather
    than provide adequate resources and planning, they instead rely on
    burning out volunteers, then make post-hoc demands on the way they
    shouldhave done it, provide no future support for organizers to
    heed those demands, rarely follow up, then go on to repeat the
    same mistakes the following year.  Honestly, it’s surprising that
    FOSS4G has failed only once. (I think this is a reflection of the
    demand for the conference, not the blazing competence of OSGeo.)

    Michael Gerlek brought this up
    <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-July/014521.html>on the
    osgeo-discuss list in July, and probably has a more generous spin
    on it. He essentially argues that it’s time to declare mission
    accomplished and shut down or rebooted. I agree with his points,
    and I’m arguing that OSGeo can have something to offer, but it
    will require a major re-think of its mission.


        Fixing things

    I hinted at this in my recent questions to the board candidates,
    but I want to be explicit here: OSGeo needs to evolve or die.

    Here’s how I would do it:

    1.

        The board needs to evaluate all of its goals, as defined on
        the About page, to decide if they are still truly goals.
        Define any new goals.

    2.

        Ask the question: “What does it mean to succeed at this goal?”

        If the goal is vague, or ongoing, give a timeline: “What does
        success look like for this goal one year from now?”

    3.

        Create measureable objectives for achieving those goals. Ask
        the question, “How will we know if we’ve succeeded?”

    4.

        Prioritize the goals.

    5.

        Allocate resources to the goals.

        Obviously this is a tricky one, but I think we can look at
        this a balance between Importance and Effort.

        Spend money to reduce to the effort required, more money if
        the goal is more important — this might be the hardest
        cultural shift. Volunteer time is precious and easily
        discouraged. Make sure that you make it as efficient as
        possible by spending money when you can.

        For example, many of the infrastructure services OSGeo
        provides can be easily outsourced to more featureful services
        that are more responsive and rely less on volunteer labor.

    6.

        Close the loop on tasks. When a task is delegated to a
        committee or individual, track its progress, both to know that
        it is or isn’t happening, and to be able to acknowledge and
        incorporate the work when it’s done. Failing to acknowledge
        people’s labor or to use the results of that labor will
        virtually guarantee that the volunteer does not continue to help.

    7.

        Evaluate success and failure.  GOTO 1.

    Aside: none if this will happen without a strong executive.
    Whether that position is paid or not is up to the board, but it’s
    clear that there needs to be someone who can make decisions
    without endless rounds of fruitless discussions. The board as
    currently constituted is not dysfunctional, but it is mostly
    afunctional.

    I’m will go so far as to suggest this: Fly every board member who
    is available to a two or three day retreat. Get everyone in the
    same room, a professional facilitator to speed the process, then
    figure out what OSGeo is going to be and how to get there. Don’t
    fret excessively about the expense — this isn’t about saving
    money, it’s about saving OSGeo.

    If you ask me, irrelevancy is a fate worse than death. Be
    bold!It’s better to try to do something big and new then fail than
    to simply fade away and be forgotten.

    Though my comments above may sound harsh, they are sent with the
    very best of intentions. I want OSGeo to succeed, but OSGeo is
    never going to succeed if it doesn’t know what it’s try to succeed
    at.Without real reform, I don’t see success happening, just
    irrelevance. Here’s hoping this gets the ball rolling.

    Darrell


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