El sáb., 23 jun. 2018 0:27, Mark Iliffe <markili...@gmail.com> escribió:
> This would be good - learning from the Dar FOSS4G experience would be a > good starting place for this. Unfortunately,y not many people believe that > the laws and codes of conduct we create need to be refreshed and amended to > keep in pace with our community. > > On 22 Jun 2018, at 18:18, María Arias de Reyna <dela...@gmail.com> wrote: > > That's exactly what I'm trying to do. > > Massive +1 > I want to start with a common CoC for OSGeo (at least as a best practices model) while keeping conversations with other organizations. As part of a woman in tech association many orgs have asked for advice already. And there's already some initiatives for creating common resources. The ones I know, in Spanish, but that shouldn't be a blocker for a start. Having exactly the same rules for all situations is difficult, but having a template is feasible. > El sáb., 23 jun. 2018 0:17, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shor...@gmail.com> > escribió: > >> (Changed title to reflect this conversation is about Code-of-Conduct >> improvements). >> >> Maria, >> >> I'm going to float a "wish-ware" idea here. Wishware is where someone >> wishes for a piece of software (or CoC in this case) and some magic >> geek-fairies go and write it for them because the idea is so good that >> others are attracted to make it happen. >> >> I wish that instead of every foundation and project writing their own >> CoC, everyone bands together and creates a "Code-of-Conduct Foundation" >> which takes responsibility for creating a set of standard Code of Conducts, >> which are maintained by everyone. Something like the Creative Commons >> licenses for data, or the Open Source licenses defined by OSI. >> >> Then we don't need to spend huge amounts of time debating words within >> our CoC, all we do is decide if we go with CoC-Virtual-Forums or >> CoC-Face-Conferences, or CoC-Short-Version, or .... (whatever they end up >> being called). >> >> This would require one person initially, growing into a team of people, >> who would draw together the various authors of Codes-of-Conduct, and >> attract a commitment from a few projects to use the new Code-of-Conduct. >> >> Maybe this might be your calling? It would be a huge amount of effort, >> but would also be hugely valuable and an excellent gift to humanity. >> >> On 23/6/18 7:58 am, María Arias de Reyna wrote: >> >> >> >> El vie., 22 jun. 2018 23:35, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shor...@gmail.com> >> escribió: >> >>> >>> Maria, re the Code-of-Conduct, I agree with Christian. Rewriting it to >>> create rules which consider all future opportunities for human conflict is >>> utopian, impractical and ultimately unachievable. >>> >> >> I agree with that. But a static CoC is also impractical, considering that >> in the last years CoCs have advanced a lot and now we know what works >> better on each kind of organizations. >> >> What I propose is to evolve, not to throw all the work already done. As I >> already said on previous mails, the work done was outstanding for the time >> it was written. Which may seem very recently but considering how much we >> have advanced, is already old. >> >> There have been a huge number of person-hours which have been put into >>> the numerous Code-Of-Conducts which our OSGeo Code-Of-Conduct was based >>> upon. I think we keep our Code-of-Conduct as simple as possible, and rely >>> on our underlying morals, ethics, and collective intelligence to address >>> concerns as they arise. >>> >> >> My plan is not to complicate it, but to make it stronger. >> >> Let me give you one simple example of something that doesn't make sense >> right now: >> >> We cannot say dirty words, but we can harass someone using beautiful >> words as long as we claim good intent. That doesn't make sense. >> >> So, precisely one of the things you quote above as what we should do is >> one of the things that are wrong. >> >> This article can explain the situation better than me: >> https://thebias.com/2017/09/26/how-good-intent-undermines-diversity-and-inclusion/ >> >> This would be the easiest thing to propose to change because once you >> understand it, it becomes obvious. But there's more. >> >> >>> >> -- >> Cameron Shorter >> Technology Demystifier >> Open Technologies and Geospatial Consultant >> >> M +61 (0) 419 142 254 >> >> _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >
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