the arcade could go in the back elevator room On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Michael Kozakewich < mkozakew...@icosidodecahedron.com> wrote:
> It’s $100/month for both those back rooms? > If we determine that we have enough space in other rooms, we could live > without that. One of the big complaints I’ve heard was that even though our > space is cheap, we have so much of it. > > We could free up space in the lounge by building (or getting) better > shelving. Most of the wall space against the back wall could hold stuff, > and we could fit one of the more popular game machines. > When is the dirty work room going to be usable? (I see temporary storage.) > What does RampUp need in a space, anyway? (Maybe we could store a couple > things around them, if they just need table space and presenting area.) > > *From:* Jay Smith <jayvsm...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 03, 2012 6:13 PM > *To:* Justin Lacko <jus...@takaji.ca> > *Cc:* discuss@lists.skullspace.ca > *Subject:* Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Ramp Up Manitoba and SkullSpace? > > It's $2.045/sqft/year, so we would save $97.99/month on rent (not > including gst). > > And yes, we're no longer feeling very paranoid about hiding the rent > figures :P > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Justin Lacko <jus...@takaji.ca> wrote: > >> More around $2. But let's see if Jay can provide us with the numbers. >> >> On 3 October 2012 17:41, Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net> wrote: >> > We have roughy 4000 - 4500 sqft right now. 500 is between 20 and 25% of >> > our rent. Our rent is what, $750/month, plus heat + possibly power, so >> > it'd be $200 - $400 / month, minimum. >> > >> > Also, tell them they have to clean the toilets. >> > >> > Ron >> > >> > On 2012-10-03 17:28, Mark Campbell wrote: >> >> I think it was around $1/sq. ft.? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Justin Lacko <jus...@takaji.ca> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I don't know - Jay knows how many sq. ft. we're paying for currently. >> >> > >> >> > On 3 October 2012 17:18, Mark Campbell <nitrod...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > > How much would skullspace save by giving up 575 square feet? >> >> > > >> >> > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Justin Lacko <jus...@takaji.ca> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> You guys are making this harder than it needs to be... no, we >> won't >> >> > >> try to make them SkSp members... why would Ramp Up want to join >> us? >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Why would we look into building some kind of corridor that will >> >> > >> severely decrease our hallway space and just create more work for >> us? >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Why would we look into administering the space and providing >> power and >> >> > >> finished rooms and then charge some kind of adjusted rent, which >> would >> >> > >> create a huge headache for us (and I would not be willing to >> manage a >> >> > >> space that we sublet, less I become a kind of defacto landlord >> myself >> >> > >> >_>)? >> >> > >> >> >> > >> The easiest solution... and the one that requires almost no >> investment >> >> > >> from us and instant reward in the form of reduced rent... is to >> wall >> >> > >> off the entry from the lounge, or from the first room in the set >> of >> >> > >> two, and give the space to AW and adjust the amount of sq. ft. we >> pay >> >> > >> for. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> To note: the two rooms make up 575 sq. ft. (taken from CAD >> drawing). >> >> > >> >> >> > >> I think if we go looking to charge an adjusted rent for these guys >> >> > >> it'll just be a waste of our time and resources and put more >> >> > >> management on our end. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> On 3 October 2012 16:49, Mark Campbell <nitrod...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> > This is a version of the electrical plan with the dimensions >> needed. >> >> > >> > It's >> >> > >> > approximately 500 square feet (31*16). >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Roswyne <rosw...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> How big is the room? It may be more cost effective for them >> just to >> >> > >> >> buy >> >> > >> >> SkSp memberships. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> (i.e. if the room's 10'x10', 10 of them could get SkSp >> memberships >> >> > for >> >> > >> >> the >> >> > >> >> same price, and simply bring in other people as guests) >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> Alternately, if they're already affiliated with AW, perhaps >> they >> >> > could >> >> > >> >> just use the boardroom there? I don't think AW has any >> particular >> >> > use >> >> > >> >> for >> >> > >> >> another "office" type room. >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Mark Campbell < >> nitrod...@gmail.com> >> >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> Mike mentioned $4/square foot being the least expensive >> option for >> >> > >> >>> renting space in the exchange (not including the maintenance, >> >> > heating, >> >> > >> >>> electricity). A figure around that (not sure what the square >> footage >> >> > >> >>> of the >> >> > >> >>> room(s) are), if not a moderately less, would be appropriate. >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Justin Lacko < >> jus...@takaji.ca> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>> Negligible... I mean how much could we charge them in >> reality? We'd >> >> > >> >>>> have to provide electrical to the room, and finish it... >> that's not >> >> > >> >>>> thinking about renovations for access control (if we deem it >> >> > >> >>>> necessary). It'd be much easier and save us more money in >> the long >> >> > >> >>>> run >> >> > >> >>>> IMO to just wall it off from our side either one or two >> rooms, and >> >> > >> >>>> then let AW build a door into it. >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >>>> On 3 October 2012 16:34, Mark Campbell <nitrod...@gmail.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >>>> > I think it's a worthwhile venture, yes. At least with this >> >> > >> >>>> > renovation, >> >> > >> >>>> > there's a return on investment. >> >> > >> >>>> > >> >> > >> >>>> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Justin Lacko < >> jus...@takaji.ca> >> >> > >> >>>> > wrote: >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> Creating a hallway would make our lounge even smaller and >> I'm >> >> > sure >> >> > >> >>>> >> we'd have to make it extra wide to follow any kind of >> code - it >> >> > >> >>>> >> would >> >> > >> >>>> >> take a significant portion out of our space - and do you >> really >> >> > >> >>>> >> want >> >> > >> >>>> >> to start even *more* renovations for SkSp?? >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> On 3 October 2012 16:27, Mark Campbell < >> nitrod...@gmail.com> >> >> > >> >>>> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>> >> > That actually sounds like a great idea. It's a perfect >> >> > >> >>>> >> > opportunity >> >> > >> >>>> >> > to >> >> > >> >>>> >> > renovate the rooms in a nice way. Creating a hallway >> between >> >> > the >> >> > >> >>>> >> > main >> >> > >> >>>> >> > hallway and the backroom shouldn't pose any problem at >> that >> >> > >> >>>> >> > point. >> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >> > >> >>>> >> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Justin Lacko < >> >> > jus...@takaji.ca> >> >> > >> >>>> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> Mark, >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> The savings would be the same... we'd pay less for our >> lease >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> because >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> of less floor space. We'd also not need to worry about >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> providing >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> them >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> with power. >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> If you wanna go the other way, we'd have to >> >> > administrate/manage >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> the >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> rented space, provide power/finished walls/a certain >> degree >> >> > of >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> tenant >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> requirements, determine a price for power, as well as >> debate >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> access >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> control since they'd be going through SkSp to get to >> the >> >> > rooms. >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> On 3 October 2012 16:19, Mark Campbell < >> nitrod...@gmail.com> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > Justin, from your mention of repartitioning the >> space so >> >> > that >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > AW >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > has >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > more, I >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > do not agree with this -- I was originally thinking >> that we >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > could >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > make a >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > significant profit from leasing space to RU -- that >> is, we >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > charge >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > them >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > more >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > $$ per square foot than we pay on our current lease. >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Ron < >> r...@skullsecurity.net >> >> > > >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> Depending on what they need, they can just become >> sksp >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> members >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> then >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> use >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> the space as they wish :) >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> Ron >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> On 2012-10-03 14:41, Justin Lacko wrote: >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > Something that came up at yesterday's meeting >> that I >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > believe >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > may >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > warrant further discussion: >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > Does anybody like the idea of SkullSpace renting >> out >> >> > some >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > of >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > their >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > space to Ramp Up Manitoba? >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > This is a small group that recently merged with >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > AssentWorks, >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > and >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > they >> >> > >> >>>> >> >> >> > are looking for space. 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