Generally we leave discussions pertaining to the operations of the space out of Announce. The majority of Announce readers are not even members of SkullSpace. Everything you're asking for, and more, is found on the Discuss mailing list. I will also be going over the problem in detail at tomorrow's meeting.
As for my email responsiveness, I do again have to apologies for my delay in responding to two of your queries. I do receive a very high volumes of email (not just SkullSpace) and occasionally the less dramatic things slip through the cracks. For instance, you and I alone have exchanged twelve messages in the month of August - and you're still one of the quieter members as far as my inbox is concerned. By the way, while I appreciate your discretion, you're welcome to call me out by name if you feel the need to criticize me :) It's important to hold us and future directors responsible. Although we do prefer to be confronted 1-on-1 before being flogged publicly. As I've mentioned in a past meeting, I'd love to set up a "self-serve" reminder system for billing and membership info. If anybody would like to help me hack on such a thing, it would be greatly appreciated. - Jay Smith On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Dan Bernardić <[email protected]> wrote: > I believe there are two issues someone in a leadership role or a designate > has to address in order to ensure the best likelihood of success of our > efforts. I don't even know if you're being deliberately vague in your > response, or you just don't have time to write out a more comprehensive > explanation. > > Firstly, if the Jenkster or anyone else created a calculation that shows > all relevant numbers, I urge leadership to send that out to announce as > well. It seems to me that every announce-reading member deserves to know > the exact numbers. And there should be a way to electronically stay up to > date with the efforts as we make progress toward documented and publicized > goals. > > Secondly, just going with what landlord asks is potentially a bad idea. > Tenants have rights, and this stuff is legislated to protect tenants from > money-hungry landlords, which appears to be what we're dealing with. I only > have experience in residential tenancies, but in my 5 years of living at my > previous apartment, I had to refer to the legislation several times because > the landlord was often on the lookout to screw me out of my money and > rights. I urge leadership or designate to educate themselves about their > rights, and not make any concessions that are legally unnecessary. You may > well have done due diligence, but I don't think announce readers have been > given evidence of this. > > Perhaps a bold statement here would be to point out my experience with > regard to lack of responsiveness a particular elected leader had shown to > my emails about paying my dues. It might be the case that the elected > leaders do not have the time to address these things, and in that case a > designate should be found. If this an existential problem as you present > it, it deserves appropriate amount of attention. > > I am in no way judging your response to this issue as I do not actually > know the facts, neither am I complaining about any interaction I've had so > far with the elected leaders, you guys are great, and have done a great job > as far as I can tell. I'm just expressing my concern, which is perhaps > shared with other less outspoken members, and providing some ideas for how > to address the problem. > > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Yes, among other things. >> >> Ron >> >> On 2012-10-14 17:13, Jason Therrien wrote: >> > Does this stem from having to pay for power in the new contract? >> > >> > -jason >> > >> > On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > > Hash: SHA1 >> > > >> > > Hey everybody, >> > > >> > > I don't post day-to-day business to announce@ very often, but as I >> > > alluded to in the subject, this is very important. Basically, it's >> vital >> > > to the survival of SkullSpace at this point, as scary as that sounds. >> > > >> > > With the new lease that the landlord is proposing, we're going to be >> > > stretched thin. So thin that it's really not realistic to survive >> > > without making some changes. I don't believe moving is an option - >> we're >> > > not going to find anything better than what we have, and we're going >> to >> > > wind up with either shitty space or more expensive space, with the >> same >> > > problems. >> > > >> > > There are three ways to solve this, and I think we should be working >> on >> > > implementing all three: >> > > >> > > 1. If you're not a member, and you'd like to become one, please talk >> to >> > > me! If you join now, we'll give you the first month for free! Just >> email >> > > me directly (ron @ skullsecurity.net) and we'll make arrangements! >> Also, >> > > if you have any friends who you think would be interested, bring 'em >> to >> > > SkullSpace and show them around! >> > > >> > > 2. If you ARE a member, and you can afford to pay more than $40/month, >> > > please consider filling out a new PAD that includes a monthly >> donation. >> > > I've personally offered to do this, as did nearly everybody in the >> > > budget meeting. If you can afford $50, $60, or even $100, it'll make a >> > > *huge* difference. >> > > >> > > For what it's worth, we had a visitor this week whose hackerspace runs >> > > entirely off monthly donations, and they have people who pay $200 and >> > > $300 each month, because they can afford it. >> > > >> > > I understand that not everybody can afford more than $40, but if you >> can >> > > and you wish to donate extra money, please email me directly and we'll >> > > sort it out. ron @ skullsecurity.net >> > > >> > > 3. More events! We've had several events the last couple weeks, and >> have >> > > more planned! If you have an idea for an event, don't be shy! Take the >> > > reigns, and if you need anything at all, let me know. I'm here to help >> > > and facilitate as much as I can. And when we do have events, please >> > > pass the hate, particularly for non-members. $5 or $10 per person >> isn't >> > > an unreasonable donation! >> > > >> > > So yeah, that's my appeal. We desperately need to raise our income in >> > > a short timeframe to offset the rent increase. If we don't, we're >> going >> > > to be homeless. Or worse. So please help out! >> > > >> > > Ron >> > > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) >> > > >> > > iEYEARECAAYFAlB7EMMACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/Q94QCgqOGxHYqYtDtQ+EGUOFZHBRe5 >> > > +uIAoNotBVc58wGvhMwMexc1lC+LLh8U >> > > =cu9j >> > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > SkullSpace Announce Mailing List >> > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Announce >> > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-announce-archive/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAlB8IXMACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/TMbwCglCbjdZkpab3qEjOMwU6ViSui >> juYAoI4o3mEI0B0vSworUw+5z7CijFfC >> =PYwJ >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > > > > -- > Dan Bernardic > Learn more about me at http://gravatar.com/dbernar > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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