I second this. On 16 Oct 2012 11:53, "Ron" <[email protected]> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I agree. Right now, what other hackerspaces do for the discount members, > we do for guests. I don't want to change our guest policy, so there we > go. > > I propose that we do normal members = minimum $40, students = minimum > $20, and they're the same in every way (except that students are > students). > > That way, there's basically no extra management. Which is my goal. :) > > Ron > > On 2012-10-16 10:32, Michael Kozakewich wrote: > > What I'm seeing is that a general cheap rate is really cheap, and creates > > half-members without full rights or access. > > A student rate creates full members, but is cheaper because we recognise > > that they're investing a large chunk of their income (or even taking > loans) > > to improve their lives in the long run. > > > > I agree with student pricing, but I think the public has so much access > that > > a really cheap half-member rate just wouldn't work for us. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:02 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Other hackerspaces' cost > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hey all, > > > > We discussed having lower fees for students, and Jay requested some info > > on how other hackerspaces deal with it. Me and Roswyne got a bunch of > > information together. > > > > First off, I just want to make it clear: we're not looking at raising > > the rates, just at how the rates are broken down. > > > > Here we go! > > > > - ------------------ > > > > Protospace and ENTs: Both of their regular rates are $50/month and their > > reduced rate is $10/month. Neither of them restrict it to students, but > > the reduced rate does not give the member a key, storage space, or a > > vote at meetings. They are restricted to coming to the space when > > someone with a key is already there, and aren't authorized to use some > > tools/equipment. > > > > Protospace also offers a student membership at $30/month which requires > > proof of student status, and gives them a shelf and a vote. Both > > Calgary and Edmonton offer a reduced rate (1 or 2 months free) if you > > pre-pay for an entire year. > > > > The Baltimore Node does not offer a general reduced rate, but offers > > reduced membership rates to additional members of a household, and > reduced > > memberships on a case by case basis. > > > > The Harford Hackerspace: multiple membership levels, which appear to > range > > from > > $85/month down, depending on category (regular member, charter member, > > student, > > etc.), but their wiki has no other specific valued mentioned. > > > > VHS (in Vancouver): offers 3 price points - $50 (regular member), $25 > > (voting, > > no key), $10 (no key, no vote). > > > > Farset labs: We changed ours recently from a strictly 2 tier system > > (students + > > regular) to a more complex 4 tier system. This was partially driven by > > students being cheap whiny bastards, but also to give gradiated > > justification > > of expenditure; i.e. if the higher ups are complaining about something, > it's > > more justifiable to invest in it. Also, in our region there's a bit of a > > wide > > equality gap, so there are a few 'money no object' folk who think 35 > pounds > > a > > month is pennies, and others that get their groceries for a month with > that. > > > http://farsetlabs.org.uk/blog/roles-the-new-farset-labs-membership-model/ > > > > Quelab: $35 a month, and visitors, $5 per visit. we are working at having > > some > > prepaid visit "punch cards", and some family membership pricing, and also > > probably upping our pricing just a bit, to offset paypal and > > banking/insurance > > fees. > > > > Freeside: is $80/month for regulars, and $40 for "starving > > hackers"/students. > > > > Makers Local 256: a "pledge" model. You pledge whatever you want your > > monthly > > amount to be. I love this model but it's difficult to convince others to > try > > it. I'll let them post more of its pros and cons if they're here. > > > > Workshop 88 in the western suburbs of Chicago: $50/mo Full Membership: > 24hr > > access, voting rights, and discounts on classes $30/mo Supporting > > Membership: > > 24hr access > > > > ALTSpace: $50/month basic membership: 24hr access $200/month pro > membership: > > bin storage for your stuff, option to set up a private workbench The > private > > workbench thing was not part of our original plan but people really want > it > > and > > are willing to pay for it, so they get to help subsidize the space for > > everyone > > else. I'd guess about 1/3 of our floor space is occupied with private > > workbenches now, and we don't want that to increase. > > > > TX/RX labs, in Houston, TX We have several different levels of membership > > with > > varying levels of access, the "standard" membership being the $80/mo. > > "Hacker" > > membership. http://www.txrxlabs.org/membership/ > > > > 10bitworks san antonio Weekly open house visitors - FREE AnyBitWorks - > > Haggle > > for benefits with equipment or workshops or small monetary donations > > Student - > > $20 plus 4 hours service (cleaning, loading, etc) Standard - $40 24/7 > > access - > > $50 > > > > metalab in Vienna: €20/month but membership is not required to use the > > space. > > (NOTE: This is the one I modeled ours after when we founded it) > > > > Linz, Austria: we'll allow members to choose between €10 and €30 or more, > > recommending €20. The idea of a free range is working very well for a > German > > newspaper taz (i.e. they hit a good average and are among the few not > > loosing > > subscribers). We don't want 3 or 4 membership classes for students, > regular > > and > > sponsoring as all should have the same access, rights, duties etc. One > > important thing: If you make a nice form, add a custom field; without no > one > > might ever think about giving more than everyone else. > > > > Nottingham Hackspace: we have a Pay-What-You-Like fee. When we first > started > > we > > had all these tiers and joining fees and stuff like that too but it was > > complicated and it confused people. We like simple rules in Nottingham. > We > > insist that the member works out what membership is worth, then pays a > > little > > more than that, by a standing order directly into the Hackspace account > > monthly. Rule 1: Pay-what-you-like-but-pay-monthly You'd think people > > choose > > to pay only 50p or something right? Wrong, people think VERY carefully > about > > what they would like to pay, based on frequency of access, use of > > consumables > > or just how they feel about the group or what they can actually afford. > > > > SplatSpace in Durham, NC: membership costs $50/mo and you get voting > rights > > and > > keys to the place. Full-time students can get the same for $20/mo, and > folks > > can pay $20/mo to get no real privileges if they'd like to support us. > > > > ?? space: 2 tiers: member is 50/monthly for regular working hours. 80 > > monthly > > gets you 24/7 agrees through a key/RFID system. 15 also gets you a day > pass. > > No > > student rate, because there aren't many here, with it not being a college > > town > > > > Diyode: Regular membership: $50/month Student Membership: $25/month > > Homeschoolers:$30/month (restricted to business hours) Retirees: Pay > > whatever > > you want Can't afford it: Pay what you can above $10 If you pay by > > cash/cheques/month to month, it's an extra $10/month. Seems to be > working > > out > > fine. No resentment, lots of members, rent gets paid every month. Plus, I > > was > > told that our commitment to being all-inclusive was a factor in us > getting a > > $15,000 government grant to buy tools. > > > > So there you have it. :) > > > > Ron > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iEYEARECAAYFAlB9dwkACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/RYgACgu0QJqXmLHW18f4B2T7DRhEwP > > XBIAnjUUa+FZscLuddw+u1ze5gNDgqOr > > =raJR > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAlB9kQMACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/Q0mwCgiNgSjww7FOr9NKy+58GMrmow > xXgAnitXbWxD/qMjRjC+nK3/5jyBs1xZ > =eO20 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/
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