I don't know if I have a vote (yet) but I agree with this. (I filled out the PAP Paperwork and sent it to Ron yesterday).
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jeremy Hiebert <[email protected]>wrote: > I second this. > On 16 Oct 2012 11:53, "Ron" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I agree. Right now, what other hackerspaces do for the discount members, >> we do for guests. I don't want to change our guest policy, so there we >> go. >> >> I propose that we do normal members = minimum $40, students = minimum >> $20, and they're the same in every way (except that students are >> students). >> >> That way, there's basically no extra management. Which is my goal. :) >> >> Ron >> >> On 2012-10-16 10:32, Michael Kozakewich wrote: >> > What I'm seeing is that a general cheap rate is really cheap, and >> creates >> > half-members without full rights or access. >> > A student rate creates full members, but is cheaper because we recognise >> > that they're investing a large chunk of their income (or even taking >> loans) >> > to improve their lives in the long run. >> > >> > I agree with student pricing, but I think the public has so much access >> that >> > a really cheap half-member rate just wouldn't work for us. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Ron >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:02 AM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Other hackerspaces' cost >> > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > Hey all, >> > >> > We discussed having lower fees for students, and Jay requested some info >> > on how other hackerspaces deal with it. Me and Roswyne got a bunch of >> > information together. >> > >> > First off, I just want to make it clear: we're not looking at raising >> > the rates, just at how the rates are broken down. >> > >> > Here we go! >> > >> > - ------------------ >> > >> > Protospace and ENTs: Both of their regular rates are $50/month and their >> > reduced rate is $10/month. Neither of them restrict it to students, but >> > the reduced rate does not give the member a key, storage space, or a >> > vote at meetings. They are restricted to coming to the space when >> > someone with a key is already there, and aren't authorized to use some >> > tools/equipment. >> > >> > Protospace also offers a student membership at $30/month which requires >> > proof of student status, and gives them a shelf and a vote. Both >> > Calgary and Edmonton offer a reduced rate (1 or 2 months free) if you >> > pre-pay for an entire year. >> > >> > The Baltimore Node does not offer a general reduced rate, but offers >> > reduced membership rates to additional members of a household, and >> reduced >> > memberships on a case by case basis. >> > >> > The Harford Hackerspace: multiple membership levels, which appear to >> range >> > from >> > $85/month down, depending on category (regular member, charter member, >> > student, >> > etc.), but their wiki has no other specific valued mentioned. >> > >> > VHS (in Vancouver): offers 3 price points - $50 (regular member), $25 >> > (voting, >> > no key), $10 (no key, no vote). >> > >> > Farset labs: We changed ours recently from a strictly 2 tier system >> > (students + >> > regular) to a more complex 4 tier system. This was partially driven by >> > students being cheap whiny bastards, but also to give gradiated >> > justification >> > of expenditure; i.e. if the higher ups are complaining about something, >> it's >> > more justifiable to invest in it. Also, in our region there's a bit of a >> > wide >> > equality gap, so there are a few 'money no object' folk who think 35 >> pounds >> > a >> > month is pennies, and others that get their groceries for a month with >> that. >> > >> http://farsetlabs.org.uk/blog/roles-the-new-farset-labs-membership-model/ >> > >> > Quelab: $35 a month, and visitors, $5 per visit. we are working at >> having >> > some >> > prepaid visit "punch cards", and some family membership pricing, and >> also >> > probably upping our pricing just a bit, to offset paypal and >> > banking/insurance >> > fees. >> > >> > Freeside: is $80/month for regulars, and $40 for "starving >> > hackers"/students. >> > >> > Makers Local 256: a "pledge" model. You pledge whatever you want your >> > monthly >> > amount to be. I love this model but it's difficult to convince others >> to try >> > it. I'll let them post more of its pros and cons if they're here. >> > >> > Workshop 88 in the western suburbs of Chicago: $50/mo Full Membership: >> 24hr >> > access, voting rights, and discounts on classes $30/mo Supporting >> > Membership: >> > 24hr access >> > >> > ALTSpace: $50/month basic membership: 24hr access $200/month pro >> membership: >> > bin storage for your stuff, option to set up a private workbench The >> private >> > workbench thing was not part of our original plan but people really >> want it >> > and >> > are willing to pay for it, so they get to help subsidize the space for >> > everyone >> > else. I'd guess about 1/3 of our floor space is occupied with private >> > workbenches now, and we don't want that to increase. >> > >> > TX/RX labs, in Houston, TX We have several different levels of >> membership >> > with >> > varying levels of access, the "standard" membership being the $80/mo. >> > "Hacker" >> > membership. http://www.txrxlabs.org/membership/ >> > >> > 10bitworks san antonio Weekly open house visitors - FREE AnyBitWorks - >> > Haggle >> > for benefits with equipment or workshops or small monetary donations >> > Student - >> > $20 plus 4 hours service (cleaning, loading, etc) Standard - $40 24/7 >> > access - >> > $50 >> > >> > metalab in Vienna: €20/month but membership is not required to use the >> > space. >> > (NOTE: This is the one I modeled ours after when we founded it) >> > >> > Linz, Austria: we'll allow members to choose between €10 and €30 or >> more, >> > recommending €20. The idea of a free range is working very well for a >> German >> > newspaper taz (i.e. they hit a good average and are among the few not >> > loosing >> > subscribers). We don't want 3 or 4 membership classes for students, >> regular >> > and >> > sponsoring as all should have the same access, rights, duties etc. One >> > important thing: If you make a nice form, add a custom field; without >> no one >> > might ever think about giving more than everyone else. >> > >> > Nottingham Hackspace: we have a Pay-What-You-Like fee. When we first >> started >> > we >> > had all these tiers and joining fees and stuff like that too but it was >> > complicated and it confused people. We like simple rules in Nottingham. >> We >> > insist that the member works out what membership is worth, then pays a >> > little >> > more than that, by a standing order directly into the Hackspace account >> > monthly. Rule 1: Pay-what-you-like-but-pay-monthly You'd think people >> > choose >> > to pay only 50p or something right? Wrong, people think VERY carefully >> about >> > what they would like to pay, based on frequency of access, use of >> > consumables >> > or just how they feel about the group or what they can actually afford. >> > >> > SplatSpace in Durham, NC: membership costs $50/mo and you get voting >> rights >> > and >> > keys to the place. Full-time students can get the same for $20/mo, and >> folks >> > can pay $20/mo to get no real privileges if they'd like to support us. >> > >> > ?? space: 2 tiers: member is 50/monthly for regular working hours. 80 >> > monthly >> > gets you 24/7 agrees through a key/RFID system. 15 also gets you a day >> pass. >> > No >> > student rate, because there aren't many here, with it not being a >> college >> > town >> > >> > Diyode: Regular membership: $50/month Student Membership: $25/month >> > Homeschoolers:$30/month (restricted to business hours) Retirees: Pay >> > whatever >> > you want Can't afford it: Pay what you can above $10 If you pay by >> > cash/cheques/month to month, it's an extra $10/month. Seems to be >> working >> > out >> > fine. No resentment, lots of members, rent gets paid every month. Plus, >> I >> > was >> > told that our commitment to being all-inclusive was a factor in us >> getting a >> > $15,000 government grant to buy tools. >> > >> > So there you have it. :) >> > >> > Ron >> > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) >> > >> > iEYEARECAAYFAlB9dwkACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/RYgACgu0QJqXmLHW18f4B2T7DRhEwP >> > XBIAnjUUa+FZscLuddw+u1ze5gNDgqOr >> > =raJR >> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAlB9kQMACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/Q0mwCgiNgSjww7FOr9NKy+58GMrmow >> xXgAnitXbWxD/qMjRjC+nK3/5jyBs1xZ >> =eO20 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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