interesting On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I now know two people - both of whom are SkullSpace members and one of > whom is me - who will pay $100/month on top of their memberships for > having their own working space. That's an extra $200/month. > > I think I've convinced a company to throw in $1500 - $2000 as a donation > to help with the up-front costs for staying. The rest of the amount > would have to be amortized somehow. > > We (by which I mean you) need to get the Awesome Foundation running, > because the first project I plan to vote for is 'SkullSpace electrical'. > We could do with $1000. :) > > Ron > > On 2012-10-24 00:21, Michael Kozakewich wrote: > > Oh, and ONE MORE THING > > > > I averaged the electric and gas, but we’re going into the expensive > colder months with the gas. By December and January, we’ve estimated $500 > usage for gas alone. > > (Thus the insulation question. We could probably save a couple hundred > each month with some good insulation, providing it doesn’t cost thousands.) > > > > From: Michael Kozakewich > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 12:00 AM > > To: discuss@lists.skullspace.ca > > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Lease Numbers > > > > Oh, I forgot a couple things. While we’re here, we get that $42/month > credit. I took that out because it’s not something we’d make if we left, > and that’s the number I was looking for. Perhaps I should have just taken > this off of the lease. > > > > So, I said we were assuming we needed $2080, but with that $42 it > becomes $2038 or whatever (I probably have a few dollars in rounding errors > by now). Long-term, this space could be $1818/month. We just have to pay a > lot for a few years. > > > > That number includes the $450 discretionary spending. Essentially, we > can do this, AND do the electrical, AND still spend $300-400 every month on > things. > > > > Breakdown in monthly output: > > -Rent: $504 > > -‘tricity & Gas: average $544 > > -Our own spending: $545 (incl. cleaning, but not snacks, which pay for > themselves) > > > > Next Questions: > > -Can we reduce that old-bills amount? AssentWorks paid it without > question, because it was worth that much to them. Is it asking too much to > get them to pay a little more of it? At best, they MUST accept us paying it > over three or more years. > > -Can we find another place with roughly 2675 sq.ft. for about > $1800-$2000? That includes heating costs. If it’s crappy and we pay for > gas, like here, the space itself would have to be roughly $500 cheaper. > > -How much does our gas cost? Have we gotten any bills, yet, and can we > apply them to the monthly Jenkins estimates for August, September, and > October? (See if our bill this month ends up being $200.) We could be > overestimating, though not by much if so. > > -Is that $8000 for everything, including old bills and contractor work? > Or did I miss another $5000? That would break us. > > -That final workshop with the windows would only fetch $80 or so if we > gave it to AssentWorks. Can we get a tenant in there? How much would we > make from that? > > -How much discretionary spending is required? I’m assuming we run some > real risks at anything below $300, but we could probably still operate > below $450. > > -How much could we save with some basic insulation? I’m talking about > insulating the lounge ceiling, and possibly the walls around the lounge or > the classroom ceiling. A couple-hundred’s-worth every month would probably > be worth it. > > -Does AssentWorks want us to stay? We should work out some deals with > them right now to sweeten this arrangement. Access to a shared wood-working > space would be a good one to start with, and would add quite a bit of > value. (We obviously won’t have enough space for it if we move.) > > > > From: Michael Kozakewich > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:55 PM > > To: SkullSpace Discuss > > Subject: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Lease Numbers > > > > At this exact moment, we aren’t yet paying for electricity. We’re costed > a little over $1000/month – about $1475 after a $450 discretionary budget. > We’re actually doing really good with this, but of course taking in a few > hundred dollars of cost quickly eats into these margins. > > (I guess we’re paying for gas, now? That could increase our cost by > $500, if the estimates are correct. We just don’t know right now. That > would peg us at $1500/month, at most, or $1950 after spending.) > > > > A membership of 40 and snacks of $300, as well as $100 of donations and > merch, gives us $2000/month, easily. Thus why we chose $450 as > ‘discretionary spending’. It’s what we’ve got left over. > > > > Mark Jenkins made that great spreadsheet of costs (though he forgot > about $120/month in insurance). According to that, we’re paying an average > of $1568/month (more in the winter, less in the summer). With $450 > discretionary tacked on, that’s $2018. Add the $120 insurance, and our goal > was $2138. > > > > The latest details: Old electrical bills, and additional metering, > possibly with renovations added, for $8000 total. For the sake of things, > I’m going to split that into three-year montly costs, or $222.22. > > I’m not entirely sure if that was old bills, the metering, and the costs > of getting a contractor in, or if the contractor was a separate $5000. Can > Jay or someone clarify? > > That sits us at an average raw cost of $1910, just barely below our > spending limit, and not tenable with our current membership rate (we don’t > want to rely on snack prices). If we wanted the $450 discretionary > spending, we’d need $2360. > > > > Justin’s plan #1 will sell the war room and elevator room to AssentWorks > for about $200. Plan #2 will also include the back workshop/storage area, > for $284 back. (The slides include some odd numbers, I think because they > recalibrated the space measurements. Mine are based on what we’re paying > now, compared to this.) > > > > So, we were assuming we needed $2138, with Mark’s numbers. Tack on the > new $222.22, and we’d need $2360/month if we take on the new lease. With > Plan #1, that would reduce to $2160. With Plan #2, that would be $2080. > > > > So, there you have it. Any other spaces we look at must be below > $2360/month, and preferably below $2000/month, or there’s no point. This is > still a cheapish place. > > > > According to this, after 3 years, that monthly amount will drop by > $222/month. > > So, long-term, this space could be $1860/month. > > > > > > > > More later, I guess! > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAlCHf/QACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/Ry+wCfQcNs6xg1CaT7oCN47Auzdv9n > WZoAn1vz+sDu85hTurKyNtIcXLiY20rt > =SWH6 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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