random injection: $1600/month, 2000 sq ft, all utilities included On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:50 AM, chris kluka <asd...@asdlkf.net> wrote:
> I suspect ron is speaking of me as the 2nd person; > > I am looking for a place to host my CCNA/CCNP/CCIE:Voice lab equipment. (a > 25 u rack on wheels with a bunch of cisco routers/switches/phones and a 1u > server). > > I do not require (much) internet; just some SSH and RDP connectivity for > my own lab use. Other skullspace members are welcome to play around with > the equipment while I am not using it for their own edification. > > I can throw in $100/month to have a dedicated 25 some-odd square feet > (enough space for the rack, a 2.5x4 foot desk, and a chair) and some power > (while i'm using it, not 24x7). > > -- Chris > > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Adrian Stoness <tdk.kni...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> interesting >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net> wrote: >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> I now know two people - both of whom are SkullSpace members and one of >>> whom is me - who will pay $100/month on top of their memberships for >>> having their own working space. That's an extra $200/month. >>> >>> I think I've convinced a company to throw in $1500 - $2000 as a donation >>> to help with the up-front costs for staying. The rest of the amount >>> would have to be amortized somehow. >>> >>> We (by which I mean you) need to get the Awesome Foundation running, >>> because the first project I plan to vote for is 'SkullSpace electrical'. >>> We could do with $1000. :) >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> On 2012-10-24 00:21, Michael Kozakewich wrote: >>> > Oh, and ONE MORE THING >>> > >>> > I averaged the electric and gas, but we’re going into the expensive >>> colder months with the gas. By December and January, we’ve estimated $500 >>> usage for gas alone. >>> > (Thus the insulation question. We could probably save a couple hundred >>> each month with some good insulation, providing it doesn’t cost thousands.) >>> > >>> > From: Michael Kozakewich >>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 12:00 AM >>> > To: discuss@lists.skullspace.ca >>> > Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Lease Numbers >>> > >>> > Oh, I forgot a couple things. While we’re here, we get that $42/month >>> credit. I took that out because it’s not something we’d make if we left, >>> and that’s the number I was looking for. Perhaps I should have just taken >>> this off of the lease. >>> > >>> > So, I said we were assuming we needed $2080, but with that $42 it >>> becomes $2038 or whatever (I probably have a few dollars in rounding errors >>> by now). Long-term, this space could be $1818/month. We just have to pay a >>> lot for a few years. >>> > >>> > That number includes the $450 discretionary spending. Essentially, we >>> can do this, AND do the electrical, AND still spend $300-400 every month on >>> things. >>> > >>> > Breakdown in monthly output: >>> > -Rent: $504 >>> > -‘tricity & Gas: average $544 >>> > -Our own spending: $545 (incl. cleaning, but not snacks, which pay for >>> themselves) >>> > >>> > Next Questions: >>> > -Can we reduce that old-bills amount? AssentWorks paid it without >>> question, because it was worth that much to them. Is it asking too much to >>> get them to pay a little more of it? At best, they MUST accept us paying it >>> over three or more years. >>> > -Can we find another place with roughly 2675 sq.ft. for about >>> $1800-$2000? That includes heating costs. If it’s crappy and we pay for >>> gas, like here, the space itself would have to be roughly $500 cheaper. >>> > -How much does our gas cost? Have we gotten any bills, yet, and can we >>> apply them to the monthly Jenkins estimates for August, September, and >>> October? (See if our bill this month ends up being $200.) We could be >>> overestimating, though not by much if so. >>> > -Is that $8000 for everything, including old bills and contractor >>> work? Or did I miss another $5000? That would break us. >>> > -That final workshop with the windows would only fetch $80 or so if we >>> gave it to AssentWorks. Can we get a tenant in there? How much would we >>> make from that? >>> > -How much discretionary spending is required? I’m assuming we run some >>> real risks at anything below $300, but we could probably still operate >>> below $450. >>> > -How much could we save with some basic insulation? I’m talking about >>> insulating the lounge ceiling, and possibly the walls around the lounge or >>> the classroom ceiling. A couple-hundred’s-worth every month would probably >>> be worth it. >>> > -Does AssentWorks want us to stay? We should work out some deals with >>> them right now to sweeten this arrangement. Access to a shared wood-working >>> space would be a good one to start with, and would add quite a bit of >>> value. (We obviously won’t have enough space for it if we move.) >>> > >>> > From: Michael Kozakewich >>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:55 PM >>> > To: SkullSpace Discuss >>> > Subject: [SkullSpace-Discuss] Lease Numbers >>> > >>> > At this exact moment, we aren’t yet paying for electricity. We’re >>> costed a little over $1000/month – about $1475 after a $450 discretionary >>> budget. We’re actually doing really good with this, but of course taking in >>> a few hundred dollars of cost quickly eats into these margins. >>> > (I guess we’re paying for gas, now? That could increase our cost by >>> $500, if the estimates are correct. We just don’t know right now. That >>> would peg us at $1500/month, at most, or $1950 after spending.) >>> > >>> > A membership of 40 and snacks of $300, as well as $100 of donations >>> and merch, gives us $2000/month, easily. Thus why we chose $450 as >>> ‘discretionary spending’. It’s what we’ve got left over. >>> > >>> > Mark Jenkins made that great spreadsheet of costs (though he forgot >>> about $120/month in insurance). According to that, we’re paying an average >>> of $1568/month (more in the winter, less in the summer). With $450 >>> discretionary tacked on, that’s $2018. Add the $120 insurance, and our goal >>> was $2138. >>> > >>> > The latest details: Old electrical bills, and additional metering, >>> possibly with renovations added, for $8000 total. For the sake of things, >>> I’m going to split that into three-year montly costs, or $222.22. >>> > I’m not entirely sure if that was old bills, the metering, and the >>> costs of getting a contractor in, or if the contractor was a separate >>> $5000. Can Jay or someone clarify? >>> > That sits us at an average raw cost of $1910, just barely below our >>> spending limit, and not tenable with our current membership rate (we don’t >>> want to rely on snack prices). If we wanted the $450 discretionary >>> spending, we’d need $2360. >>> > >>> > Justin’s plan #1 will sell the war room and elevator room to >>> AssentWorks for about $200. Plan #2 will also include the back >>> workshop/storage area, for $284 back. (The slides include some odd numbers, >>> I think because they recalibrated the space measurements. Mine are based on >>> what we’re paying now, compared to this.) >>> > >>> > So, we were assuming we needed $2138, with Mark’s numbers. Tack on the >>> new $222.22, and we’d need $2360/month if we take on the new lease. With >>> Plan #1, that would reduce to $2160. With Plan #2, that would be $2080. >>> > >>> > So, there you have it. Any other spaces we look at must be below >>> $2360/month, and preferably below $2000/month, or there’s no point. This is >>> still a cheapish place. >>> > >>> > According to this, after 3 years, that monthly amount will drop by >>> $222/month. >>> > So, long-term, this space could be $1860/month. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > More later, I guess! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) >>> >>> iEYEARECAAYFAlCHf/QACgkQ2t2zxlt4g/Ry+wCfQcNs6xg1CaT7oCN47Auzdv9n >>> WZoAn1vz+sDu85hTurKyNtIcXLiY20rt >>> =SWH6 >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >> > >
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