Wouldn't you want to use JQuery over JS? Cheers!! On Dec 21, 2013, at 12:34 AM, Jim MacKenzie <protoj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I miss typed languages. At work we've been using java script instead of c# > recently. > > Another thing I miss about c# and Java, being able to use the same index for > for loops. JS has weird scope rules. > > On Dec 21, 2013 12:16 AM, "Mark Jenkins" <m...@parit.ca> wrote: > On 20/12/13 07:41 PM, Aemilianus Kehler wrote: > Good price for a language plaqued with vulnerabilities :p > > Thanks for trolling with your tongue out. :p > > We sort of earned it. First we put out a very wide open call for expressions > of interest and got a lot more responses from people like yourself who > already have a programming background who are looking for something more > topical (which we invited). > > Python* (my favourite!), got the most mentions. > > But, Sara and I always had a bias for starting with a beginner course though. > Our chat with Brittany and Alex on Tuesday convinced us ignore the feedback > out of a sense that half the members and a large amount of non-members out > there don't have any formal programming background and are ready to try a > small course in it. > (even though Alex and Brittany themselves would also like something more > topical) > > Help us scratch our itch to start with beginner material by bringing the > neophytes you know to us. > > Once we've done that we'll be a little more confident in our teaching > abilities and move on to offering something more specific to existing > programmers (probably python). > > Such a future course will be more appealing to those of you advanced enough > to understand that embedding a special "sandboxed" programmable environment > in a web browser (e.g. Sun/Oracle Java, Direct X, Adobe Flash, Adobe Acrobat, > Microsoft Silverlight...), regardless of what programming language is > involved is a bad idea. > > Thank Guido that nobody ever tainted Python's reputation by "sandbox" > embedding it into a web browser and popularizing it as a "must-download!" to > turn it into the first (bad) impression of Python for the masses. > > I think Sara was just a little sensitive to your troll attempt getting this > all off to a bad start, see: > http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-09/why-were-shutting-our-comments > > New programmers don't understand the distinction between > language, standard libraries, execution environment (web browser "sandbox"), > and independent implementations thereof. To those not versed in the > distinction, it isn't obvious that the core java language and minimal use of > standard libraries (stdio) used in a beginner programming course are > unrelated to the epic security fails of web browser sandboxes. > > Your troll makes me laugh, but I worry that some newbies are going see it and > ask if they should really start with the bad java language that everyone (me > included) loves to hate. > > And, I don't think new programmers truly appreciate the idea that choice of > first language doesn't matter until they actually move on to their second > language and discover how much knowledge about programming they are taking > with them. The word "language" contributes somewhat to this, human languages > are very hard to learn after puberty -- an epic struggle to learn French as > an adult is only going to help you a little when you move on to tackling > Mandarin. > > Even learning a new programming paradigmn is an easier leap. > > Which brings me to the Python* note I had above. > > If I ever teach a course using Python, it will be called "everything you > should be doing with list comprehensions, generator expressions, dictionary > comprehensions, and set comprehensions". > > You aspiring pythonists shouldn't wait for that. Go off and read about these. > You can find them spread out in the standard python2 and python3 tutorials > http://docs.python.org/2/tutorial/ > http://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/ > > or look at this introduction: > http://www.diveintopython3.net/comprehensions.html > > Here's a simple example from my successful efforts to crack Ian's Bitcoin > encryption password: > https://gist.github.com/markjenkins/7036740 > > I wrote: > > def is_all_ascii(plaintext): > # 2 ** 7 meaning, only first 7 bits used, e.g. < 128 > return all( ord(char) < (2**7) for char in plaintext ) > > > Instead of: > > def is_all_ascii(plaintext): > for char in plaintext: > # 2 ** 7 meaning, only first 7 bits used, e.g. < 128 > if ord(char) >= 2**7: > return False > return True > > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/
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