I second the objection. Unless we have a really good reason to analyze/distribute[1] this "door access metadata"[2], let's not do it. Let's default to more privacy, not less. Same thing goes for DHCP leases and network traffic in general.
I think a much better idea would be to set up some cameras inside the space and stream them on our website. [1] I understand door access is already logged for security and door diagnostic purposes, but only the keyfob czar (CStanners) has access to these logs. [2] http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennifergranick/2014/01/24/told-ya-so-nsas-collection-of-metadata-is-screamingly-illegal/ On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Kevin <m...@iamkevin.ca> wrote: > Unless you do keep track of MAC addresses for this data collection, > there are ways to change the hostname given to a DHCP Server. One > could also set a static IP bypassing DHCP entirely. :D > > Under Linux for example, the following config file can specify exactly > what hostname is sent to the DHCP server: /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf > Variable to update is: send host-name = > > Thus creating a script to run at system start can basically randomize > this hostname. This variable also doesn't effect any other hostname > relying component on a Linux system. > > On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 15:39:34 -0500 > Alex Weber <alexw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > All: I'm aware of the potential inaccuracies. I just wanted to see if > there > > was any interesting trends in the data. That's all! > > Ron: The data will be anonymized. No worries. > > Robert: Good idea re: DHCP, I will keep that in mind. > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Robert Keizer <rob...@keizer.ca> > wrote: > > > > > Yup. > > > > > > Because CSIS would send in me rather than snoop our basically open > wifi :) > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Kevin <m...@iamkevin.ca> wrote: > > > > > >> On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:41:17 -0800 > > >> Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Neat idea, but a lot of people go there to play video games or board > > >> > games or creepy dolls or to work on non-computer stuff. It wouldn't > be a > > >> > very good number, in my opinion. > > >> > > > >> > So, I wasn't at the meeting and I don't have context. I'm > wondering, why > > >> > do we want to collect this information? Is it just for the sake of > > >> > collection or to solve a non-existent problem? Or is there an actual > > >> > use case? > > >> > > > >> > > >> I have suspicions that Rob secretly works for CSIS and they were > having > > >> trouble obtaining statistics on SkullSpace participants due to their > > >> privacy habits. > > >> > > >> > As usual, I stand on the "don't solve problems that don't exist" > side of > > >> > things, but maybe there IS something that I'm missing. > > >> > > > >> > Ron > > >> > > > >> > On 2014-01-29 11:35, Robert Keizer wrote: > > >> > > If we want to know who is around the space, why don't we just keep > > >> > > statistics on DHCP handouts / renewls? Strip the MAC, and just > leave > > >> the > > >> > > timestamp. > > >> > > > > >> > > My guess is that at least 90% of the members connect at least > their > > >> > > cellphone to the network, if not their laptops and such. > > >> > > > > >> > > Obviously not terribly accurate.. but in conjunction with the door > > >> swipe > > >> > > stuff it may be useful. > > >> > > > > >> > > Rob > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Ron <r...@skullsecurity.net> > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > I think we need facial recognition on the cameras at the door. > We > > >> can > > >> > > > tie into MPI's photograph database so we can identify everybody > who > > >> > > > comes in, member and not. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Ron > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On 2014-01-29 10:56, Roswyne wrote: > > >> > > > > I don't think it'll be very effective, since many people can > > >> enter on one > > >> > > > > swipe. Also, people often prop the door open. :) > > >> > > > > On Jan 29, 2014 10:54 AM, "Ron" <r...@skullsecurity.net> > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > On 2014-01-28 18:30, Courtney Lofchick wrote: > > >> > > > > > > Logs for door entry > > >> > > > > > > - to see which days and times are most popular > > >> > > > > > > - does anyone object? > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Logging activity is fine. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Logging names isn't, IMO. I don't like the idea of tracking > > >> people. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Btw, why does this matter? It seems to me that the most > popular > > >> times > > >> > > > > > are the times when people are there, and we probably don't > need > > >> door > > >> > > > > > logs to tell us that. :) > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Ron > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > >> > > > > > Help: > > >> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > >> > > > > > Archive: > > >> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > >> > > > > Help: > > >> http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > >> > > > > Archive: > > >> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > >> > > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > >> > > > Help: > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > >> > > > Archive: > > >> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > >> > > Help: > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > >> > > Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > >> > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > >> > Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Kevin <m...@iamkevin.ca> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > -- > Kevin <m...@iamkevin.ca> > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ >
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