I like Jay's definition a lot ... and cast my straw down in favour of erring on the side of leniency. I would rather have a few scoundrels getting away with $20 a month than lose them entirely.
A proper definition will make this issue much more clear in future... On 7 May 2014 17:12, Jay Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > Regarding Ron's earlier comment, we had a few members coming to us > stating that our arbitrary student definition is a concern. We don't > get our kicks out of sparking discussions like this for the sake of > it, believe me. We do however, want to make sure our bylaws are > consistently enforced and understand why the members in question are > concerned. > > Personally, I'd like to error on the side of being too lenient. > Members can always pay more if they want to. Here's my shot at it > (inspired in part by the financial aid office's definition): > Any full or part-time student at an accredited secondary or > post-secondary institution that leads to a certificate, diploma, or > degree. Part time studies should at least involve 3 hours a week of > class time. > > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Ace Tunes <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you add the age limit you exclude a number of students, who will > likely > > have even more expenses than the younger students. I think that is a bad > > idea. I also think that this should be more community oriented instead of > > business oriented, I personally get discouraged when I have to jump > through > > a series of hoops to get discounts and things. Coming in as a new member, > > knowing no one within the group I personally would have just said "screw > > it", not interested in joining. And thank you for putting this on > discuss. > > > > On 7 May 2014 16:50, "chris kluka" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> I suggest we adopt this definition of student (replace "United States" > >> with "Canada") > >> > >> http://definitions.uslegal.com/s/student/ > >> > >> > >> Student is defined as “an individual under 23 years of age who has not > >> completed 4 years of education beyond the high school level and who is > >> regularly pursuing a full-time course of study or training at an > institution > >> which is-- > >> > >> (A) a school or college or university operated or directly supported by > >> Canada, or by a Provincial or local government or political subdivision > >> thereof; > >> > >> (B) a school or college or university which has been accredited by a > >> Province or by a Province-recognized or nationally recognized > accrediting > >> agency or body; > >> > >> (C) a school or college or university not so accredited but whose > credits > >> are accepted, on transfer, by at least three institutions which are so > >> accredited, for credit on the same basis as if transferred from an > >> institution so accredited; or > >> > >> (D) an additional type of educational or training institution as defined > >> by the Secretary of Labor. > >> > >> Such an individual is deemed not to have ceased to be a student during > an > >> interim between school years if the interim is not more than 4 months > and if > >> he shows to the satisfaction of the Secretary that he has a bona fide > >> intention of continuing to pursue a full-time course of study or > training > >> during the semester or other enrolment period immediately after the > interim > >> or during periods of reasonable duration during which, in the judgement > of > >> the Secretary, he is prevented by factors beyond his control from > pursuing > >> his education. A student whose 23rd birthday occurs during a semester or > >> other enrolment period is deemed a student until the end of the > semester or > >> other enrolment period.” > >> > >> > >> I would add that: > >> > >> A minimum of 40% course load for university or college students, or 60% > >> course load for high school students is also required to be classified > as a > >> student. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Zewwy <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> So part time yes.. But certificates no... So what it takes.. Two cert > >>> courses count? Or part time students without a job? This is messed! > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from Samsung Mobile > >>> > >>> > >>> -------- Original message -------- > >>> From: Courtney Lofchick > >>> Date:05-07-2014 4:32 PM (GMT-06:00) > >>> To: "Discuss, SkullSpace" > >>> Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] student member policy update > >>> > >>> We will, just wanted to put it on discuss first so people who don't > >>> attend meetings can have some input too. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Brittany Postnikoff > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> This is great material to have in a meeting, bring it up there please! > >>>> > >>>> --BP > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Courtney Lofchick > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> The board is having trouble coming up with a proper definition, > that's > >>>>> why we're asking for help. > >>>>> We have had a few members apply as students who are getting > >>>>> certificates from corporations (Cisco, Microsoft) The board does not > >>>>> consider those people to be students. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Ron Bowes <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It seems oddly difficult to define it properly. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Is there some reason we're attempting to, or does this fall into the > >>>>>> "fixing what's not broken" category? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 7 May 2014 13:53, "Courtney Lofchick" <[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We don't want to say full time student because some of our members > >>>>>>> are part time students and we don't want to exclude future part > time > >>>>>>> students either. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Nathan Wild <[email protected] > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We agreed ages ago to accept members 16 or over. This change > would > >>>>>>>> exclude them. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> That being said, I think as long as it is worded in such a way as > to > >>>>>>>> define student as "full time student", in fine with it. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I think the intention of adding the student rate was that full > time > >>>>>>>> students tend to not have incomes, but benefit greatly from > membership in > >>>>>>>> the community. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Nathan T. Wild > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On May 7, 2014 3:35 PM, "Courtney Lofchick" < > [email protected]> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The board has been discussing the idea of updating our student > >>>>>>>>> policy so that it is more specific about who qualifies. Please > let me know > >>>>>>>>> what you guys think. This shouldn't change the status of any > current > >>>>>>>>> students but if it does, please let me know. We don't want to > lose any > >>>>>>>>> members due to the changes. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Student Member Policy: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> In order to qualify for student membership you must be a student > at > >>>>>>>>> an accredited post secondary institution, including but not > limited to: the > >>>>>>>>> University of Manitoba, the University of Winnipeg, and Red > River College. > >>>>>>>>> Taking a certification course (for example Cisco, Microsoft) > does not > >>>>>>>>> qualify you for student membership. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If you feel your specific situation warrants student membership > >>>>>>>>> please bring it up with the board. 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