I agree that there should be a focus on studying to qualify for a student rate. If I am working full time and taking a single evening course, I do not meet the spirit of needing a reduced membership rate due to lack of income.
However, it really doesn't matter to me if you're spending your time in high school, taking basket weaving, or various certifications. But since we don't even confirm people's names when they apply, it seems silly to quibble about whether or not they're a student. On May 7, 2014 5:12 PM, "Jay Smith" <[email protected]> wrote: > Regarding Ron's earlier comment, we had a few members coming to us > stating that our arbitrary student definition is a concern. We don't > get our kicks out of sparking discussions like this for the sake of > it, believe me. We do however, want to make sure our bylaws are > consistently enforced and understand why the members in question are > concerned. > > Personally, I'd like to error on the side of being too lenient. > Members can always pay more if they want to. Here's my shot at it > (inspired in part by the financial aid office's definition): > Any full or part-time student at an accredited secondary or > post-secondary institution that leads to a certificate, diploma, or > degree. Part time studies should at least involve 3 hours a week of > class time. > > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Ace Tunes <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you add the age limit you exclude a number of students, who will > likely > > have even more expenses than the younger students. I think that is a bad > > idea. I also think that this should be more community oriented instead of > > business oriented, I personally get discouraged when I have to jump > through > > a series of hoops to get discounts and things. Coming in as a new member, > > knowing no one within the group I personally would have just said "screw > > it", not interested in joining. And thank you for putting this on > discuss. > > > > On 7 May 2014 16:50, "chris kluka" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> I suggest we adopt this definition of student (replace "United States" > >> with "Canada") > >> > >> http://definitions.uslegal.com/s/student/ > >> > >> > >> Student is defined as “an individual under 23 years of age who has not > >> completed 4 years of education beyond the high school level and who is > >> regularly pursuing a full-time course of study or training at an > institution > >> which is-- > >> > >> (A) a school or college or university operated or directly supported by > >> Canada, or by a Provincial or local government or political subdivision > >> thereof; > >> > >> (B) a school or college or university which has been accredited by a > >> Province or by a Province-recognized or nationally recognized > accrediting > >> agency or body; > >> > >> (C) a school or college or university not so accredited but whose > credits > >> are accepted, on transfer, by at least three institutions which are so > >> accredited, for credit on the same basis as if transferred from an > >> institution so accredited; or > >> > >> (D) an additional type of educational or training institution as defined > >> by the Secretary of Labor. > >> > >> Such an individual is deemed not to have ceased to be a student during > an > >> interim between school years if the interim is not more than 4 months > and if > >> he shows to the satisfaction of the Secretary that he has a bona fide > >> intention of continuing to pursue a full-time course of study or > training > >> during the semester or other enrolment period immediately after the > interim > >> or during periods of reasonable duration during which, in the judgement > of > >> the Secretary, he is prevented by factors beyond his control from > pursuing > >> his education. A student whose 23rd birthday occurs during a semester or > >> other enrolment period is deemed a student until the end of the > semester or > >> other enrolment period.” > >> > >> > >> I would add that: > >> > >> A minimum of 40% course load for university or college students, or 60% > >> course load for high school students is also required to be classified > as a > >> student. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Zewwy <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> So part time yes.. But certificates no... So what it takes.. Two cert > >>> courses count? Or part time students without a job? This is messed! > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from Samsung Mobile > >>> > >>> > >>> -------- Original message -------- > >>> From: Courtney Lofchick > >>> Date:05-07-2014 4:32 PM (GMT-06:00) > >>> To: "Discuss, SkullSpace" > >>> Subject: Re: [SkullSpace-Discuss] student member policy update > >>> > >>> We will, just wanted to put it on discuss first so people who don't > >>> attend meetings can have some input too. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Brittany Postnikoff > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> This is great material to have in a meeting, bring it up there please! > >>>> > >>>> --BP > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Courtney Lofchick > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> The board is having trouble coming up with a proper definition, > that's > >>>>> why we're asking for help. > >>>>> We have had a few members apply as students who are getting > >>>>> certificates from corporations (Cisco, Microsoft) The board does not > >>>>> consider those people to be students. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Ron Bowes <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It seems oddly difficult to define it properly. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Is there some reason we're attempting to, or does this fall into the > >>>>>> "fixing what's not broken" category? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 7 May 2014 13:53, "Courtney Lofchick" <[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We don't want to say full time student because some of our members > >>>>>>> are part time students and we don't want to exclude future part > time > >>>>>>> students either. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Nathan Wild <[email protected] > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We agreed ages ago to accept members 16 or over. This change > would > >>>>>>>> exclude them. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> That being said, I think as long as it is worded in such a way as > to > >>>>>>>> define student as "full time student", in fine with it. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I think the intention of adding the student rate was that full > time > >>>>>>>> students tend to not have incomes, but benefit greatly from > membership in > >>>>>>>> the community. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Nathan T. Wild > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On May 7, 2014 3:35 PM, "Courtney Lofchick" < > [email protected]> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The board has been discussing the idea of updating our student > >>>>>>>>> policy so that it is more specific about who qualifies. Please > let me know > >>>>>>>>> what you guys think. This shouldn't change the status of any > current > >>>>>>>>> students but if it does, please let me know. We don't want to > lose any > >>>>>>>>> members due to the changes. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Student Member Policy: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> In order to qualify for student membership you must be a student > at > >>>>>>>>> an accredited post secondary institution, including but not > limited to: the > >>>>>>>>> University of Manitoba, the University of Winnipeg, and Red > River College. > >>>>>>>>> Taking a certification course (for example Cisco, Microsoft) > does not > >>>>>>>>> qualify you for student membership. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If you feel your specific situation warrants student membership > >>>>>>>>> please bring it up with the board. Student membership may be > granted at the > >>>>>>>>> boards discretion. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>>>>>>>> Help: > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>>>>>>>> Archive: > >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>>>>>>> Help: > http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>>>>>>> Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>>>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>>>>>> Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>>>>> Archive: > https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >>> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >>> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > >> Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > >> Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/ > _______________________________________________ > SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List > Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss > Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/
_______________________________________________ SkullSpace Discuss Mailing List Help: http://www.skullspace.ca/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List#Discuss Archive: https://groups.google.com/group/skullspace-discuss-archive/
