JJZolx wrote: 
> You've lost me... Who's talking about "masses" or selling anything in
> stores?
> 
Sorry, I think my mind went a bit ahead of the thread :-)
When reading John's post again it's pretty clear that he is talking
about a low volume solution which doesn't have to be sold through local
stores.

JJZolx wrote: 
> 
> I haven't addressed mysb.com functionality, but how can a Squeezebox
> replacement NOT rely on LMS or another server that implements SlimProto?
> If it doesn't, then it's not a Squeezebox.
> 
> John's post talks of circuit boards an IR input, so I presume that he's
> talking about building something that resembles and operates like a
> Squeezebox. We're no longer talking about taking a Raspberry Pi or other
> off-the-shelf computer and making it work like a Squeezebox to feed a
> USB DAC. For the most part, that's been done. My post above simply tries
> to outline what I feel would be the minimum required I/O of an SB
> replacement. Apart from the USB, it's not much different than the old
> Receiver.
> 
In my mind:
Squeezebox replancement = A music streaming device that provides similar
features as the Squeezebox (preferably but not necessarily compatible
with existing Squeezeboxes)

However, I think a DIY solution could make sense to some existing
Squeezebox enthusiasts who have a desperate need to enhance their
existing system, relying on LMS makes sense if you want to do something
simple that works as a temporary solution until the market catches up
with the needs we have. In my mind it doesn't really make sense to even
package software and hardware together for this kind of system, just let
each user buy the parts, load the software on it and assemble the device
themselves. It would avoid the codec licensing issue pippin mentions,
since you are just selling a circuit board and not a music streaming
device. 

Still, if you just want a temporary solution, why not just get a used
Squeezebox from eBay ? 
Surely there will be people selling their old Squeezeboxes on eBay
during the years to come if people are still willing to buy it for the
same price as a new one.
I guess it could make sense if you like to experiment with DIY
solutions, just because it's fun, but if not I can't really see the need
unless you also handle the long term issues.

If you want to do something more long term, you really need to handle
LMS and mysqueezebox.com maintenance and then it will become a much
bigger thing and in this case it might even be better to start over and
build something with similar functionality instead of relying on LMS
which have 10 years of architectural inheritance. Reusing someone elses
code in a new system isn't always the easiest way to do things, in my
experience you really earn most time by reusing functional
specifications and possibly architecture/design and protocols if it's
good, reusing code only really makes sense if you don't plan to change
it or you already understand the code in detail. Of course, for LMS
there isn't really any functional specifications to reuse and the
protocols are barely documented, so the question is if it's really worth
the trouble to try to branch and re-brand it.


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