i apparently have to explain this in painstaking detail... snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: > And Apple only charges you for an iPod but not for iTunes. So what?
ipod will work with other software, NOT ONLY itunes. if it ONLY worked with itunes, it wouldn't be as popular as it is. thats "so what." snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: > The license to Slimserver is GPL. It is also Gratis. If Slim Devices > charged you $200 for it, would that make you think it is better? Or > would you only feel better if they didn't let you have source code? you are totally missing the point, you completely misunderstand me. snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: > Which version of "free" are you so pissed off about: > > 1) Free as in Liberty > 2) Free as in Gratis > > You are upset that the software is "free".. so which is it? How will > charging for software or hiding the source code make things better? > Personally, I would rather have software that costs less and gives me > freedom... I don't know why you would object to either.... but > whatever. try reading everything i wrote again. i am NOT pissed about EITHER free, nothing you just wrote there above applies to me. here's what i meant, and if you want to lay the blame at my feet for not being clear enough the first time, so be it: SD makes NO MONEY or revenue out of developing SS. there is no revenue in it for them. i would also venture to guess that the costs ofdeveloping it far outweigh any partnerships they have with rhapsody and so on, if indeed those generate revenue at all. they MAINLY make their money out of selling the hardware. since that is the case, why FORCE us to use their free software? why not make the hardware able to be used by any audio app, like winamp or itunes or musicmatch or whatever? if they still wanted to develop and use SS they could, but it should not be the only way. what confuses me, is why they FORCE is to use this ONLY way, when they give it out for free and make no money from it, and incur headaches and costs from it. is this now clear? snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: > "And iPods should work with different kinds of software, not only a > free, costly [to them], buggy product many people don't like. it > doesn't benefit them in hardware sales..." > > ?? > > Do you see the illogic here yet? > > It is not the job of Apple, Slimdevices, Microsoft or anyone else to > make their hardware work with the software of other companies...." it is in the interest of ANY company whose main revenue stream is SELLING HARDWARE to have their product more compatible, then less compatible. SB is one of the only products out there that refuses to work with any other software. yes, its open source, its free, its cross platform. but that doesn't mean much to me if i don't like using it b/c it sucks in various ways. i think a lot more people, even non techie newbies, would get a lot out of a SB they could use as "just another sound card" on their computer, that allowed them to use ANY pgm they wished with it. snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: > If you want to use J.River to control a squeezebox: TALK TO J.River. > If you want to use iTunes, talk to apple. Slim does not have the code > to those products and can't change them. all i want is a device driver for the OS that powers the SB. i don't care if i can control it via remote or not. i hardly think my request is sacriledge. snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: > You, on the other hand, have the code to Slimserver: if you don't like > it, change it. not realistic from a business model standpoint. by that logic, SD shouldn't develop it at all, merely maintain what others do. snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: > You do, actually. Hint: Shoutcast plugin for Winamp. This makes Winamp > play nice and talk to other hardware. Again, last I checked, the fine > folks at AOL do not give out source code to Winamp... Why don't you > ask them for source code? what are you talking about? i already said that setting up shoutcast and analog cables in my soundcard to give me a workaround so i can "feed" my SB is not a solution i'm interested in, as it defeats the sonic purpose and is inelegant to say the least. snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: > I am sure Steve Jobs will be glad to hear that he should charge for > software since expensive software is somehow better than gratis > software, and that the iPod will never sell because it won't play nice > with other people..... straw man, not my argument. snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: > Again: it is technically possible to make a virtual audio device on > Windows serve out an HTTP stream, which is all that it would take to > make the SB very annoying with mail beeps and bloops and all the other > "system sounds" windows loves so much... > > At least with XP. actually, windows allows you to run more than one "sound device." you can route "system sounds" and so on, to one device, and all your music and so on, to another device, (presumably the one where your stereo is. i'm not sure what u mean by having the xp machine serve out the stream on a virtual audio device. are you saying that if i want to run winamp, i should also run shoutcast, have it encode whatever winamp is doing, (via line in i suppose) and serve it out re-encoded? that may work for winamp, but its not a good solution. snarlydwarf;174317 Wrote: > With Vista? If Microsoft is keeping their word to content providers -- > no, you will not be able to interecept the output of iTunes or WMP or > anything else that plays DRM'd files.... doing so would be violating > the DMCA. in my case, DRM has nothing to do with anything i'm doing. i make my own mp3s and listen to mp3 streams. i don't think that this should preclude the development of a windows driver for SB, to replace SS as the only method of using a SB. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.1 (beta!?) - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31324 _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
