Hi, Greg: Yes, the package in the basic Python is rich in contents already. My email was indeed a response to your reference to Byron Weber Becker's slide deck. I thought you liked his guides on polymorphism, and solicited possible extension to our package. There's misunderstanding here.
I guess OO might be a burden for beginners in scientific programming esp., for those from FORTRAN or C. Thanks. -kai On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Greg Wilson < gvwil...@software-carpentry.org> wrote: > Hi Kai, > > Our experience is that trying to get learners who have little previous > training in programming all the way to defining classes in half a day > (which is all the time we usually have for Python in our workshops) fails > badly. If they leave understanding that they should break their programs > into short, readable, testable, reusable functions (and that those are all > actually the same thing), that's a big step forward, and as far as we can > reasonably expect to get. > > And yes, the lesson on functions is mostly about scoping. Our experience > shows that's what confuses people most, and it's difficult to debug code > without a solid understanding of what a call stack is. I'm adding more > discussion of this (our collected pedagogical content knowledge) to the > next run of the instructor training course; I hope that will convince you > that what's in our core lessons is already very ambitious. > > Thanks, > Greg > > On 2014-11-28 6:54 PM, Hsi-Kai (Kai) Yang wrote: > > Sorry, there is typo in my previous email. > To be accurate, I meant "scoping" rather than "name space." > -kai > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Hsi-Kai (Kai) Yang <h...@uw.edu> wrote: > >> Teaching polymorphism in the basic workshop could be overkill. But it >> might be worthwhile to add object-oriented concepts. When I browsed V5 of >> SWC’s Python teaching material during this holiday, I could only find >> ‘function’ which was introduced as an encapsulation mechanism (among >> others) although the code example there was more about name space than >> encapsulation. >> >> >> My two cent. Thanks. >> >> -kai >> >> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Greg Wilson < >> gvwil...@software-carpentry.org> wrote: >> >>> I've just added a short post to the teaching blog [1] that includes an >>> example of a well laid out lesson from Byron Weber Becker (an instructor in >>> Computer Science at the University of Waterloo whose work I've admired for >>> a while). It certainly gives us something to shoot for... >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Greg >>> >>> [1] >>> http://teaching.software-carpentry.org/2014/11/06/an-example-of-a-well-written-lesson/ >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Greg Wilson | gvwil...@software-carpentry.org >>> Software Carpentry | http://software-carpentry.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> Discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org >>> >>> http://lists.software-carpentry.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.software-carpentry.org >>> >> >> > > -- > Dr. Greg Wilson | gvwil...@software-carpentry.org > Software Carpentry | http://software-carpentry.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org > > http://lists.software-carpentry.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.software-carpentry.org >
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