Spaced Girl wrote: > How about SC just do away with the whole code of conduct in general? It's a theoretical piece of shit and has no practical value.
No. The Code of Conduct is not 'theoretical'. It is enforceable - as instructors, we are expected to enforce it at our workshops. The executive directors and admins of both Software and Data Carpentry can and do enforce this code of conduct on the list. Perhaps having a defense against racism, sexism and homophobia is not important to you, but to many of us [including those of us who have been disrespected along gender, race or sexual orientation lines by other SWC instructors], these guidelines are important. These guidelines grew out of needing to manage the behavior of the community in a concrete, and decidedly not theoretical way, as the community grew. And I would point out that calling the community code of conduct, the product of careful thought, a 'piece of shit', is not professional behavior and is belittling the efforts of other. You're welcome to disagree with having a code of conduct, and to express those disagreements, but calling people fascists and belittling them and their efforts is rude. This conduct is certainly swaying me towards Dirk's view that pseudonyms are not appropriate for this venue. Matthew Brett wrote: >I'm thinking that should be a different document from the CoC, because the CoC is (presumably deliberately) couched in formal language, and it >would be odd to mix a gentle "please be friendly" with that kind of language. I think that 'Be kind to others' and 'Behave professionally' cover this. April On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Spaced Girl < alittlemonsteruniversi...@gmail.com> wrote: > How about SC just do away with the whole code of conduct in general? It's > a theoretical piece of shit and has no practical value. I say this > especially after all the arguing that's transpired over the past 24 hours > and my general disgust with some of the posting of instructors here...[very > few on the planet but me would notice or care]. > > Overall, think going gentler on students/new individuals anywhere is the > only acceptable approach to teaching/living. The problem with things like > codes of conduct or talk of politeness or respect is how couched in highly > normative/exclusive/dominant social ideas they are. > > From what I've noticed; this is a very diverse group compared to most > academic related places and makes for all sorts of alien talk. Learning to > fight/discuss through our differences in a much more productive approach > than going fascist on everything....even if this is a company > [authoritative space]. > > My thoughts, > S.G. > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Matthew Brett <matthew.br...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Jonah Duckles >> <jduck...@software-carpentry.org> wrote: >> > Dirk, >> > >> > We have a community that is meant to be inclusive to all. We have no >> > requirements that you use your real identity. >> > >> > It might be time for all of us to review the community code of conduct >> and >> > strive to uphold it in all that we do. >> > >> > http://software-carpentry.org/conduct/ >> >> I think what happened here was that Dirk could have phrased his reply >> more gently, and Spaced Girl reacted understandably to the apparent >> rudeness. >> >> Maybe there should be a 'community guidelines' document which says >> something like "please go out of your way to be helpful and polite, >> especially to people who have just joined the list". I'm thinking >> that should be a different document from the CoC, because the CoC is >> (presumably deliberately) couched in formal language, and it would be >> odd to mix a gentle "please be friendly" with that kind of language. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Matthew >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org > > http://lists.software-carpentry.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.software-carpentry.org >
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