Hi Gabriel,I doubted very much that you agreed with me, but you did come across as understanding. I understand the points you've made below, and also disagree with them. I've found it best, whenever possible, to conduct my discussions on public lists and forums, in the same way I would conduct them from a professional standpoint. When you have a business, it is a little like being a celebrity. You're always in the public eye. I've seen other game developers get into trouble in the past specificly because they chose to be less professional on lists. Whether you agree with it or not, your personal behavior is linked to your company's name, and that will effect the way your company is viewed. That is just the way it goes when you have your own business.
In any case, I suggest we let this drop for the time being and I appreciate that you have been polite and cordial through this discussion. I expressed my concerns and never meant for this to become as big a problem as it has. Thanks again, and take care.
At 10:56 PM 7/15/2006, you wrote:
Josh: I believe you are misunderstanding "when I said that I was understanding your message" which is different from "agreeing with your message". In all honesty, I agree with Bruce here that it is not productive to anyone on this list to misconceive my exibited behavior on gaming lists annd other situations to where you mmight think you know me. In reality, when I am working, as an AT Trainer for the state of arizona or private companies or individuals, I in no way shape or form, conduct myself as you seem to think I do on the email lists or other nonprofessional situations. As a matter of fact Josh, blindtechs.net is a company website for the Registered company I own here in Arizona. I in no way shape or form relate any of my personal life to my company, such as any business owner shouldn't. therfore, I ask that you maybe seperate the person you think you know on lists, from the professional IT/AT person named Gabe Vega. Thanks Gabe Vega The BlindTechs Network (866)714-4244 http://blindtechs.net, On Jul 15, 2006, at 10:39 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:Larry and all, I'd ask that you please reference the other messages on this thread from both myself clarifying my position and others who have offered up extremely good insights on the situation. I find it rather ironic that Gabe himself knew and understood my comments, but others have been rather defensive on his behalf. I somewhat regret having tried to be so tactful in my initial posting, as it has caused some confusion. At 10:10 PM 7/15/2006, you wrote:You said, > A project like this, IMO, should be hosted by someone supportive of Mac or at least indifferent, but someone who also can deal with Mac's critics with a level head. So, what you've said in your entire message is that you have a personal problem with Gabe and that you are unhappy that Gabe has taken it upon himself and invested both time and resources to get this wickie off the ground. Believe me when I say that I think Gabe is level headed when dealing with people who are critical of the Mac. I can attest to the fact that when I first got my iMac back in December of 2005 that Gabe constructively worked with me to get me to a point where I purchased and now love my Mac. Meanwhile, as I learned I posted critical comments of VO functionality, Apple tech support (Reference my December messages about Apple wanting to charge me $200 for VO support), and in so posting these message got all sorts of flack and almost criticisms from less than level headed people who were convinced that the Mac was the latest and greatest thing since sliced bread. I'm happy to go dig up those responses I got if it helps refresh some memories. So, before we start slandering anyone on this list remember that many people get over zealous and excited about the Mac and for good reason. But, t as some might say, take a pill and cool it! Visit my home page at http://www.disabilitynation.net and subscribe to The DisabilityNation Podcast. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Access Curmudgeon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Re: wiki has been created and is now hostedI appreciate what you're trying to do here, Gabriel,Yes, kudos to Gabe for setting us up.but I'd like to advocate for the Screenless Switchers proposalYes, sounds nice, but, at least for indefinite future, it is just a proposal. Gabe has put his money where his mouth is.for a number of reasons.Okay.I think we need something a bit more centralized.I do not follow. The BlindTechs.Net wiki is wide open. One doesn't even need to register to edit. One arbitrary domain is as good as another isn't it? Unless you get Apple or some already established organization to sponsor the VO wiki.I also have some concerns about the fact that we are already facing a bit of an uphill battle with VO and Mac,A working wiki should help with that.and there are many in the VI community who do not have a positive attitude toward you, Gabriel.Ah, now we get to the matter. You would deny Gabe this opportunity to redeem himself? He is offering something up, rather unselfishly it seems to me. How is it not in the same spirit that Saqib sponsored MacVisionaries?I've not bumped into you for many years, so am reserving judgment for now,It sounds to me like you have already judged and condemned the effort.though some of your recent messages to this list have not comforted me that you can keep neutrality.Can you cite some rants or other controversial bits on the BlindTechs.net domain which should make us worried?A project like this, IMO, should be hosted by someone supportive of Mac or at least indifferent,There has been the vacuum for over a year. No one has stepped up to the plate until now. I think we should be quite grateful.but someone who also can deal with Mac's critics with a level head.I fail to comprehend why a volunteer wiki site needs to be administered by someone with a spotless public relations reputation.I bring this up in the spirit of furthering the use of Macs among the blind, and none of this is intended as a personal attack.I and relieved Gabe was not insulted. I am inclined to reward those who do the work rather than those who are polite and kind and but not actually useful. I suppose the world needs both types.I would really like to see this project move forward,Okays, write a wiki article or two! I wrote three new ones today.and awareness and use of VO extended, but we need to consider all these things.I am sure you have the best intentions. We need more than intentions. I also recognize that, since I have drawn more than my fair share of criticism, I can empathize with Gabe more than most. If people put just a quarter of the effort into the wiki as they are willing to spend posting to MacVisionaries, the Wiki will come together amazing quickly. Unlike the listserv archives, it is reasonable to expect that the VO wiki can actually be easy to find stuff in. I hate to admit it, but spelling and grammar can all be corrected after the fact as the site evolves.-- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006"The rich declare themselves poor "But most of us are not sure "If we have too much, but we'll take our chances "'cause God stopped keeping score..." Praying for Time -- George Michael -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006-- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/2006
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