Sounds like the visual way is better.

On Sep 13, 2006, at 6:48 PM, Alastair Campbell wrote:

David Poehlman wrote:
dp: I had no problems learning the layout of a page using the jaws cursor and I also had no problems finding and reading the column or row I wanted. Yes, we get information serially. No, when we navigate, we don't need things liniarized.

Sorry, I hadn't meant that linearisation was needed, although if you bear with me a second it *might* be better for web sites.

Within the applications I don't have any problem with using the keyboard to get to where I would have expected visually, and I expect that with a little practice or a great memory it is better when you don't have the screen. But on web sites you can get some strange effects.

For example, on the wiki (http://blindtechs.net/wiki/index.php/ Main_Page), due to the indentation of certain items the order of the first column in VO is:

link, navigation, search, toolbox, main page, current events, recent changes, etc.

The actual order is:
link, navigation (a heading), main page, current events, 3 more links, then search (a heading), 2 buttons, toolbox (a heading), what links here and several more links.

The navigation, search and toolbox are sub-headings above the other links, but form their own column because the rest are indented, effectively taking them out of context.

Given the general randomness of things on the web, I would have thought that being sure of getting to everything and the predictably of going by source-order would be better? Or at least having the choice to do so.

Perhaps this will be dealt with in leopard.

Kind regards,

-Alastair





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