That is my problem. If his conduct in the past history of this list can't stand up for itself then he shouldn't be here. If it can then he should be accepted. This list has an archive.

Why are certain people bringing up his outside behaviors? That brings up the outside behaviors of everybody on this list once that occurs, and you don't know anything about me and my behaviors outside this list, so why bring it up? Please keep things within the confines of the list and it's history.

I will hole heartedly agree that Gabe has a bad past history here, I also subject that by those bringing in stuff from other places are just as wrong because we weren't there and don't know that history and probably don't have the time to follow that up. So keep it within the list. Other than that I think moderator/moderators will have their hands full with this topic and with Gabe because people keep wanting to bring in stuff from other places and times. Go back through the archives of last summer, and if you as a moderator wish to stand by your decision, then stand with it, but don't be surprised if a bunch of folks leave.

And yes, I do have

experience both moderating and owning lists. Past history based on memory and probably even more so within list archives to me would justify that he never be allowed back here again. He can create his own list as far as I care, but I wouldn't be very happy with him/Gabe here again because he refused to learn anything from being on moderated status/banning/ whatever within list history.

Is that 0 tolerance, maybe, but maybe it's just common sense, just a discussion of whether to accept a person back into a list shouldn't be predicated on his outside list behavior because i n all honesty, unless there are actual independent sources of information we can't fairly investigate the claims.


Kevin, you may have to make a hard choice, and so may I. Some things aren't worth the headaches. .

  On Apr 11, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote:

I'm begging you. Please don't let him back on the list. I too have dealt with him outside the mac community and he has caused problems.



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