>introduced until 2000 or so, long after the Windows key that did the same >was introduced. I used Jaws around 1995 on win95 - Jaws 3.5 I think it was. It certainly had insert+f6, because many times having overlapping windows on the screen would confuse Jaws and it couldn't read even the simplest text document properly until all other windows were minimized. It still sort of has this problem so I've gotten into the habbit of minimizing all but the current app. I've never seen this problem with VoiceOver.
I also have to say here that I'm not arguing for the sake of argument, or because I like windows or Jaws so much. I'm simply curious about people's philosophies on how to build an effective nonvisual UI. In want to be able to use more applications, music production is perhaps my main desire. When I can efficiently use Garage Band and QBase on the Mac, I'll consider VoiceOver to be mature enough. Jaws is scriptable, so it allowed two different developers to build two very different environments on top of Jaws which make Sonar (an audio and midi editing suite sold by Cakewalk Music Software) accessible. I have no doubt Apple will get there, and I also have no doubt that their solution will be different than what has come before. It remains to be seen how effective and comfortable it is to real users. Apples products have always been easy to use for sighted folks, so as soon as they figure out how to do this for a nonvisual audience, then I think we'll see some cool stuff coming out of Apple Labs. -- Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh de Lioncourt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Hi On Apr 13, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Rich Caloggero wrote: > Pointless, until you consider that back in those ancient days > (around 1995 > or so), the standard keyboard didn't have the app key and the > "windows" key > on it, so windows+m (minimize all windows) wasn't available. So, if > you were > lucky enough to have a keyboard that had extra keys on it, you > might have > been able to convince win95 to do the right thing, but I'm not even > sure > there was a windows keyboard command for this until win98 came out, > which > was coincident with the wider availability of keyboards with these > extra > keys on them. Actually, the JFW command wasn't around back then either. It wasn't introduced until 2000 or so, long after the Windows key that did the same was introduced.
