I have no trouble with you being honest James and I have no trouble
whatever in admitting that VoiceOver for the Mac is not perfect but
let's also be honest with ourselves in saying that JAWS and Window-
Eyes are not perfect solutions either. I I'm sure that the rest of
the list appreciate your honesty and they're only trying to give you
a bit of a hand, as was shown to me a few messages ago I learnt a new
command and that makes things easier, in order to be honest as you
put it, one also realises that one doesn't know everything about the
Mac <smile>.
Yes, Safari for example can be a bloody pain on some web pages and it
annoys me that VO doesn't give descriptions of elements found on Web
Pages to my knowledge at this time, whether this issue has been
addressed in Lepard or not? Well we can only wait to find out I guess.
In the meantime though, well I'm sure that the participants on this
list are only too happy to give each and everyone a bit of a helping
hand to get VoiceOver working as friendly and afficiently for the
user as is possible.
On 02/09/2007, at 8:42 AM, James Jolley wrote:
Hi folks,
It certainly comes to something when a user can't be honest about
what works for them. What is it about some people on this list? They
think because they have a mac, they rule? In regards to Anne's
comments about me pontificating on the mac, she was rather unfair. I
did use a mac with outspoken for a time and found that equally
irritating. The only reason why I mentioned the issues with Safari
were due to the fact that many others have had similar problems and I
figured that these may be addressed in a future update to either
MacOs or VO.
I still stick by my viewpoint, VO is a screen reader in the
traditional sense, productivity with it is significantly slowed by
the need to navigate constantly. There is little intelligence in the
screen reader to detect specific details, the fact that we have to
interact with everything slows us down for a start. Any respectible
screen reader has the ability to work with the current controll with
ease and not expect the user to jump through hoops to interact with it.
Also, the fact that one has no method of true webpage navigation as
with real screen readers. The lack of ability to interact with some
pages is irritating. Some of the gaming sights I visit are quite
difficult and I tend to use Windows just for a quiet life.
As I said, if the mac is so perfect for blind people, what are we
running windows with fusion or whatever on it for?
Best
-James-
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