As dane pointed out, it's only happening to some people on some sites.
Whatever is causing it isn't isolatable. forget I brought all this up it
seems like all the die-hard VO users will consider my views a waist of time
anyways.
Thanks to Dane and others for at least acknowledging the problems instead of
expecting us all to sit there and say how wonderful it all is because it's
free.
-James-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: I was trying to be honest about the situation with VO and the
mac
James Jolley wrote:
Take the www.teamxbox.com example I gave. click any of the reviews and
once the page opens, try and read it for a while. I don't know what the
problem at my end is, but the page keeps exiting the HTML content and you
always entd up back at the top after reading for a while.
When raising issues, it's crucial to give the URL of a specific page which
isn't working for you, rather than the site as a whole, since different
pages can have very different underlying markup and code, even if they
seem superficially similar. I tried going to the following review (this is
in Safari 2):
http://reviews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1373/Stuntman-Ignition/p1/
and waited for the ping to indicate the page had finished loading. I was
able to navigate right through the entire page, including the review, in a
loop with ctrl option down. I was also able to pick the review heading
from the Item Chooser (ctrl option I), then ctrl option down through the
review itself.
Because I need Safari 2 for webpage testing at work and they can't be
safely run on the same machine, I'm afraid I can't test the same page in
Safari 3.
If you can provide reproducible steps at a particular URL in Safari 3, you
should report the problem. But it's crucial to be as specific as possible
if you want the developers to be able to isolate and fix the problem
(assuming it turns out to be a bug in VoiceOver or Safari, rather than the
webpage itself). See:
http://bugs.webkit.org/page.cgi?id=bug-writing.html
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Bug_writing_guidelines
http://www.gwmicro.com/blog/index.php/all/2007/08/15
for important guidance on explaining problems in a way that developers can
understand and act upon.
And here's a discussion about the proper place to file bug reports for
Safari 3:
http://webkit.org/blog/107/safari-beta-301-for-windows/
I'd tend to file web-related bugs with the WebKit engine project, since
there's a lot more transparency and bugs that crossover with VoiceOver or
Safari bugs specifically tend to be assigned a RADAR number anyhow.
For an example, I've just logged a bug about the Item Chooser menu not
including headings with WebKit Nightly:
http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15132
Note that I explain how to reproduce my VoiceOver configuration.
This bug (if it is such) could also be affecting you with the WebKit
version used by Safari 3, but I don't know.
--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
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