Hi Rich - thanks for the tip, works nicely!

Does anyone know if apple are still monitoring for feedback and the best address to use? even though the work-around is there, it'd still be nice to have the option in a future release. A few less interactions a day might keep the RSI at bay.

Scott


----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Caloggero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: Questions about IM, the dock, the quicklook panel, and VO itself


>4. Loads of new VO options in Leopard... very cool to see. Maybe I >missed it, but I didn't see a way to stop it announcing row numbers as >you move through tables or list view though. If it exists, could > >someone nudge me toward it? Would speed things up a lot for me in some >situations. I've been wanting this for a while as well. However, there is a sort of work-around. With Vo, you can browse a table or list view or outline view by column. Find the table, interact with it if you need to (sometimes VoiceOver does this automagically when it gains focus via tab). Now, you can vo+rightArrow across a row, and then you get to a column you want to browse, move down with vo+downArrow and VoiceOver will move to the next row and only read the contents of the column you are in; the row number will not be announced.

2. This one is easier i hope. how do i add an app to the dock? its been driving me crazy.
I believe its context menu on the application (control+option+shift+m to get context menu).

Hope this helps some.
-- Rich


----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: Questions about IM, the dock, the quicklook panel, and VO itself


Hey all,

Its good to be back on mac! Had my old g4 power book stolen awhile ago so I dropped off the face of the earth, but as of a few days ago I'm rockin the macbook pro and lovin it. Trouble is, in that time off, I've completely lost the knack for voiceover and sunk back into my old evil windows mind-set ways, so I hope you don't mind me throwing a few questions out.

1. for IM, particularly msn i guess, i used to use fire. Downloaded version 1.5.6 just now, and either i'm losing my marbles or this thing just isn't as accessible as it once was? I can see the menues fine, but the preferences seem really tempramental and all i get in the accounts window is a table which appears to be blank. Anybody else seen this and have a solution? and, has anyone had any luck with Adium from www.adiumx.com?

2. This one is easier i hope. how do i add an app to the dock? its been driving me crazy.

3. The quicklook panel in leopard is neat... really handy! When you activate it for audio files it previews them as well i was pleased to discover, and apparently for the sighted user there's a way of skipping through the audio. I can find a pause button, and a display for ID tags and stuff like that, but no joy with the ability to see any sort of slider or scroll thingy with VO. Anybody else had more luck?

4. Loads of new VO options in Leopard... very cool to see. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see a way to stop it announcing row numbers as you move through tables or list view though. If it exists, could someone nudge me toward it? Would speed things up a lot for me in some situations.

I'm totally out of touch with the list and current topics, so if any of this has been thrashed to death already please accept my apologies, and feel free to contact me off list in that case if you've got a spare few secs to help out.

Cheers...
Scott





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