the two are not related. one is software meant for full keyboards with numpads or perhaps external numpads. the other is a notebook keyboard hardware design. Where the two do intersect though is in the ability to use the numpad commander to do really cool things that are hard to do otherwise.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Chesworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:57 PM Subject: Re: new apple macbook and macbook pro keyboards: One thing that just occurred here is why would Apple release numpad commander and then drop the idea of a numpad in the wireless keyboards and laptops a few months later? That troubles me. no doubt it'll become clear at some point, but it's a puzzler. Also i realise this isn't Apple's problem, but surely that's gonna screw with most of the windows screen readers on some small level even with the laptop layouts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lewis Brock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: new apple macbook and macbook pro keyboards: > why is it not sufficient? I have used it effectively through the years as > a laptop user on macs and windows laptops. I fail to understand what your > gripe is with this issue. if all the main functions are on the keyboard > including commands as example multiply and more then ok just use shift > keys with certain number keys etc. > > as I say as a touch typist and with experience with laptops with inbuilt > and seperated keypads I really only use the standard row above the main > typing section. that does the work for me from entering phone numbers, > mathematical equations and more. > > lew > On 27 Feb 2008, at 17:35, David Poehlman wrote: > >> the top row is not sufficient. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lewis Brock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X >> by >> theblind" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:48 AM >> Subject: Re: new apple macbook and macbook pro keyboards: >> >> >> well guys. ok having a numeric keyboard overlay can be at times >> useful. to me though it has always been a pain. I've never liked it at >> all. even on my old powerbooks from years ago I never used it and just >> used the top row configuration all the time. >> >> ok if apple were to bring out another macbook pro then why not have a >> num pad on the right hand side and yes it would fit on a 17 inch >> notebook. prime examples are show by toshiba and dell. hang on sorry I >> shouldnt mention those discusting names on here. >> >> as you can tell I am totally pro apple. I love the hardware and it has >> made a dramatic difference to my life and work. lets make sure apple >> continues to keep up the standard with updates for OS X and iWork etc >> as well as getting microsoft for mac aware that yes we DEMAND access >> to office 2008. >> >> lewy >> >> anyhow. just kicked myself. bought my macbook last week and found out >> yesterday they just launched the brand new macbook 2.4ghz with 2gb ram >> for less than my 2.2 with 2gb ram. oh bugger. might speak to the >> company and arrange an upgrade if at all possible. >> >> >> >> >> On 27 Feb 2008, at 16:42, David Poehlman wrote: >> >>> around the world, it's hard to tell, but I would imagine there's a >>> lot of >>> data entry that goes on. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Josh de Lioncourt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS >>> X by >>> theblind" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:22 AM >>> Subject: Re: new apple macbook and macbook pro keyboards: >>> >>> >>> j >>> I'm slightly disappointed about this, but speaking realistic, how many >>> people actually use the numeric overlay? Even among the VI users? >>> Probably a very small percentage. Still, it's puzzling why they'd >>> remove it at all. I do have a wireless numeric keypad I picked up for >>> $5, so I'm covered, and think that that is pretty viable for the very >>> few who use it. >>> >>> Josh de Lioncourt >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> ...my other mail provider is an owl... >>> >>> >>> >>> On 27 Feb, 2008, at 7:26 AM, David Poehlman wrote: >>> >>>> We saw the disintroduction of the vnumpad with a recent edition of >>>> macbook >>>> and now we are seeing it across the line as expected. This is >>>> dismaying for >>>> accessibility reasons. I bought one of the new wireless keyboards >>>> for My >>>> pros to help alleviate this but it's sad that we have to sacrifice >>>> portability in order to gain functionality which should be universal. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jonnie Appleseed >>>> With His >>>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s >>>> Reducing Technologies disabilities >>>> one byte at a time >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Lewis Brock >> Blind Musician and Composer of 21st century synth music >> >> Phone: +44 07857 352828 >> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> MSN / Adium: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> SKYPE: lewisjbrock >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Lewis Brock > Blind Musician and Composer of 21st century synth music > > Phone: +44 07857 352828 > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MSN / Adium: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > SKYPE: lewisjbrock > > > >
