Jacob, thanks very much for the added info, and also, let me add,
as well, that after you click the link for the audio captcha
initially, from then on, if you need to access it again, to hear
another one perhaps, the link is read properly. I have no idea why
this happens, but even with the current (latest) version of Safari,
this is the case.
So if you can access it once, then you should have no trouble.
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Jun 26, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote:
Hi Everyone
Ok, I feel I need to point out something here. Actually, a few things.
1. Voiceover does, in fact, announce that there's a link. The link
has no title, but it's very clearly there. Pressing vo-shift-u, to
get the link URL results in:
javascript:Recaptcha.switch_type('audio');. While this is far from
optimal, this is enough to inform you that this is an audio captcha
link. In general, vo-shift-u is a good key to remember, as it can
provide information about a link that VO for some reason isn't
announcing.
2. The latest version of Webkit has already dealt with this, and
reads the link as it should. For those who don't know, webkit is the
rendering engine used by Safari to display and make web page content
available to Voiceover. You can download experimental builds at www.webkit.org
and install them along side the safari you already have. Using
Webkit, this link is read as "Get an Audio Challenge" which is
exactly as it was read before. So, the webkit accessibility team has
already dealt with whatever method they used to display this link.
None of this changes the fact that the stupid thing is practically
indecipherable, but I don't see any accessibility problems with the
site itself given these two points. I perfectly agree though that
the CAPTCHA itself is horrific, and should be dealt with ASAP.
hope this helps someone
On Jun 26, 2008, at 11:04, Cara Quinn wrote:
tiffany, as I've said, the link is invisible but can still be
clicked on. In other words, if you were to use the tab key you
would still stop on an area, but it would not be announced with a
label.
So now, if you tab to the help pop up link, and VO left arrow until
you hear nothing, click there, (VO space) and you should get the
audio captcha.
Let us know how it goes if you would?…
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Jun 26, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Tiffany D wrote:
Well, I just tried to post with my Macbook and can't figure out how
you guys got it to work with VoiceOver. I clicked on the pop-up
help
button, cause that's the only one I saw besides continue. And all
it
did was explain to me that the visually-impaired can choose an audio
challenge to hear digits instead of the visual challenge, but I
saw no
button or link to let me choose that. I'm confused. Please help.
Thanks,
Tiffanitsa
On 6/26/08, Karen Lewellen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sorry about that. it did start here, and some have discussed their
problems using vo and doing the same task.
Where else is it supposed to be then?
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Scott Rutkowski wrote:
Guys and girls can we take this thread to it's propper location?
How does it relate to the macvisionaries list?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Lewellen"
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Mac OS X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Please Join Me In Making Craigslist Accessible Again
Does someone have the ear of anyone at craigslist? They should
see this
thread, since you cannot even comment over there without the
test.
Frankly I do not like the phone number thing, but they *could*
create an
account category for those who have once they confirm the
reasoning get
access.
dealing with this problem now, desire posting and I cannot since
I know
the voice thing is totally out.
Karen
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Tiffany D wrote:
What about having a pin to type in, one that's only for your
account?
I realise that not all posters have an account, but I've seen
other
sites do it, not necessarily for antispam, but anyway. There
has to
be some kind of easier sollution. As for the phone number,
sounds
like a good idea. What if you had an assigned number for your
account
so that you can't keep changing it like the child in your
sinario?
On 6/25/08, Cara Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Actually this is remarkably timely. I just finished doing
this not
five mins ago! lol! I was posting under Lessons and Tutoring
which
is one of the categories that require phone verification. I
gave them
my VOIP (Packet 8) number and it came back as unverifiable!
ick!
So I Googled, and apparently, the provider they're using may
actually be categorically denying service to certain
providers. So
there ya go! lol!
-Bloody draconian if you ask me! <smile>
On the Mac end of this issue, as has been brought up here
earlier
this week, I had no problems at all accessing the captcha
audio, but I
did need to click on an area of the screen which VO couldn't
announce. The invisible link did work though.
Now, this is not to say that the audio captcha itself was a
piece
of cake, because these were not only some of the most difficult
captchas I've heard, but also I believe this stage of the
process may
have some issues, as I seemed, at one point, to be caught up
in a
situation where it wasn't liking my input, no matter if it
agreed with
the audio or not. But that's getting OT.
All in all, from my exp, it *is* possible to do this process
on the
Mac side with Safari / VO, but in general, the process itself,
as CL
has made it now, sure isn't a pretty one! lol!
Have an awesome day!…
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Jun 25, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
Yeah, that's a good way to do it, but don't block cell phones
and
voip providers. I heard on some voip news site that they block
certain providers by exchange on the outgoing calls you have to
verify posts on parts of craigslist that require phone
verification,
whatever those are.
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To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of
Mac OS
X by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Please Join Me In Making Craigslist Accessible
Again
Yes, it's a hard problem. I was talking with some folks about
alternative accessible solutions to Captcha and one
possibility
was
to have the ability to enter a phone number and then have them
call
you with an automated series of letters/numbers read on the
phone
which you would type into the web page. This has some of the
same
benefits of cost to the hacker and can be rate limited to
prevent
repeated attacks. As you say, it also requires some trust
and good
privacy policy that they won't be using your number for
anything
else. Of course I also pointed out that any school kid would
love
this service as a prank to ring up somebody's house at the wee
hours of the morning via any web browser. I think this issue
pretty
much put an end to that solution.
CB
Jacob Schmude wrote:
The problem with that is the issue of privacy. I'd prefer
not to
allow any old forum moderator to have my phone number, for
example. Even getting past that, phone numbers can be
faked, and
I'd imagine the phone system would have to be automated,
which
means that once the counter-response is figured out it
could be
cracked rather easily. On top of that, what if the web site
in
question isn't in your country of residence? Some of those
international rates can get nasty, at least in the U.S.
This is a problem with no easy solution, unfortunately,
though I
personally believe that questions structured in an odd way
that
the human brain could figure out is the best compromise. It
has
its problems, such as needing to be familiar with the
language
in
question, but at the same time I believe it to resolve most
of
the
other problems. Let's face it, no matter what security
measure
anyone comes up with there will always be someone to break
it.
And
the ones trying to make things secure wind up playing catch-
up
as
their security measures are broken. The question in my mind
is
how
much security will the end users tolerate? Hopefully it's a
question we won't ever have to actually see answered.
On Jun 20, 2008, at 9:25, Chris Blouch wrote:
This is another example of how to avoid hackers getting in.
Add
some real expense and traceable communications to the
authentication process. A hacker doesn't care if they have
to
try
10000 times to crack one captcha since they are doing though
some
botnet. The bandwidth and compute power are essentially free
and
they can hide behind a shield of relative anonymity. If they
have
to make a phone call that raises the bar. For one that
call is
traceable so if something funny happens it comes back to a
phone
number under somebody's name. It also has a real cost as the
phone line or cell phone account costs real money and they
can't
automate it so some real human will have to make the call.
The
10000 tries now isn't such a great deal.
CB
Dan Eickmeier wrote:
And that is good for those who are on cell phone providers
that
support that verrification. Mine didn't, and I had to
email
their support to get it fixed.
On 19-Jun-08, at 12:21 AM, Chelsea wrote:
Well, that is good for those who have talking cell phones.
:(
On Jun 18, 2008, at 9:17 PM, John Moore wrote:
They should do it like Facebook, where they take the
Captcha
away when you varify your cell phone number with a code
they
send you via text message. When you type the code in
right,
Captcha becomes nonexistent.
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