So does it make sense just to drive from LA?
Olivia

On Jul 25, 2008, at 8:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

well, the Sunnyvale stop is closest probably, it's not a huge
difference. but like I said, apples a good few miles away.

cheers
jane


On 7/25/08, Janet and Felix * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Jane, yeah, my mistake. Aaa! Sorry again. I just know so many cities
in the bay area and their general location, that I made an incorrect
assumption thinking Cupertino was one of the stops on the Cal Train line.

Great idea you have there.  I will check out http://barcamp.org

I hope this idea of a pow wow doesn't go completely out of people's minds,
when it gets moved to the back burner for now.

I'm still waiting to see what our friend with friends at Apple can come up
with.

janet

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:04:50 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Discussion about a tour of the Apple facility in Cupertino

Heyas! Got a few things to point out:First..the Apple campus is nothing particularly noteworthy. Sorry to crush anyone's hopes/dreams, but it honestly is just a whole bunch of buildings and offices. The only thing possibly worth visiting would be the company store, if you wanted to get
like tshirts or something.

Secondly, even if you take caltrain, there's still a long distance you
have
to cover some other way to get to one infinite loop. I looked into it when
I
was staying in SF for WWDC and wanted to take some friends out to go see
sights. It was infeasible for me...I think it was basically the san
francisco caltrain station (walk/bus/whatever there) to the sunnyvale station, then about 4-5 miles to infinite loop. It's about 2 hours by
public
transit one way.

Lastly, given what I first pointed out, wouldn't it be easier to be
hosting
an event not necessarily at apple but one where current blind mac users
and
anyone interested can come and learn, and the more knowledgeable among you teach classes? There's these things called BarCamp (and sometimes modified to fit a theme, like iPhoneDevCamp and StartupCamp) where people come
together and share/learn/teach each other. You could call it like
MacAccessibilityCamp or something. See http://barcamp.org for more info. Sure, having it at apple is nice, but it may be inconvenient and limited.

I know there's a recurring event hosted by apple in cupertino called
cocoaheads, but you'd have to consider that that's related to mac
programming and a lot of attendees are apple employees. Maybe you will
have
better luck asking apple accessibility if they'd be willing to look into
hosting an event. Probably no need to curry Steve Jobs' favor.

cheers,
jane

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Janet and Felix * <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Our friend himself does not work for Apple. He could. He's got the knowlege. Instead he works for a company that encodes films. Before
that
he used to write anti-virus software. Anyway, he has friends he met in
high
school and/or college that now work for Apple that he stays in touch
with.
Friends in prominent positions at Apple.

I asked if I could share what we talked about and he said 'no not yet'. I'm sorry! It was just some ideas we batted back and forth. But they
could amount to something.

Hey, everything starts with an idea, right?

I suggested maybe some media attention as a carrot to get Apple to
consider
a meeting and/or tour. It would surely be newsworthy if Apple had a
small
gathering of blind folks touring their facilty and/or participating in a
forum.

But Felix brought up a very good point.  About media attention.  I
thought
it might be some good free publicity, but Felix says NO! Can't make this public! It could invite radical NFB demonstrators to come and make a
fiasco
out of what could be a good thing.

Yikes. So we've got the idea now to suggest making this exclusive only
for
current blind Mac owners/users, and then maybe  suggest a reception
outside
where non Mac users could come to get more information. Then if anyone
made
any sort of weird demonstration, at least it'd be outside.

What do you think? Not that we have any say at all in what Apple does
here!  Laugh-laugh! Oh well, I can dream.

Just throwing an idea out there.

Developing concise points for a discussion with Apple, definately a good ongoing forum here. Someone needs to be a record keeper of sorts. Save
and
sort pertinent postings and compile a list.

*smile*

Janet

PS. OFF TOPIC. Felix plays in several blues bands, including one every Sunday over in the east bay town of Lafayette, 5-8 pm, at a nice dinner lounge type restaurant called Petar's. It's about 2 blocks from the Lafayette Bart Station. Free. fun place. Every week they feature a different singer fronting the band, and also different bass players.
Felix
and the drummer are always there every week though.  That's one
suggestion
anyway! but yea, I'm totally flexible and into hangin' with you and
anyone
else too from the list if you're in the SF bay area sometime! That'd be fun! Here is Felix's My Space, work in progress, but there's a couple
videos
anyway.
http://myspace.com/felixbannon
There's a partial gig listing there too. I still have more future gigs
to
put up. I do that for him. I like doing it more than he does. I don't
mind.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Discussion about a tour of the Apple facility in Cupertino
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:33:18 -0700

 Ah, yes, now it's my turn to be blonde!  lol!

 Anyway, I used to take the Millbray route all the time, back and
forth between the east bay and Santa Clara.  If you've never been
there, the Millbray station is a very cool structure. It's tres artsie!

 Anyway, to keep this sort of on-topic, what department is your
programmer friend in? Have we got any general sorts of ideas as to
possible discussion topics and how we might approach such?…

 As I and others have alluded to, I think diplomacy is really an
important concern here, as there are already people in contact with
Apple on a regular basis, and this sort of thing should enhance a
relationship rather than help it go south! lol! -Know what I mean?…

 I think if people really do want to do this, then it might be a
really good idea to outline in writing some very concise points to
touch on.

Anyway, cool beans! and thanks for your notes!… Regardless of this
happening or not, I'd love to catch up witcha both up there and do
coffee / dinner etc!…

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Jul 23, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Janet and Felix * wrote:


Cal Train does go all the way to San Francisco. We've got on it at
the King & 4th Street station, the terminal for Cal Train.  The
south end terminal is in Gilroy, south of San Jose. Never been that far down though. We only rode it as far as Redwood City and back to
San Francisco.  Fun train.  upstairs and downstairs seating.

Yes, oh yes, I definitely agree, that is faster. Don't bother with the Embarcadero station and Muni. Just go to the Millbrae Station
just south of the SF airport.  And catch Cal Train there.  I've
never done that one before.  Gotta add that one to my experiences
sometime soon.

Okay!

Janet


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