Hi,Cara, Firstly, I believe tht it is simply unnecesarry, and for a broader implication, for future projects where large chunks of text may want to be hidden and the underlay redesigned. I don't know how much of this has reached our comunity, so I am being a little cautious, ... Lol, not that I don't trust anyone on this list, you know, standard procedure. But, anyway, I included the text to allow sighted users to know when they are in the wrongbrowser. This is a separate service from the university, but after the Beta testing, it will be used with the same login that the sighted users use. It will simply be a mode from a drop down menu, like "Standard html", "Advanced", Mobile", ... etc, ... etc.
I believe that comunity discussion is key. Do you think that such a thin would be helpful to VO and other screen reader users? Thanks for listening, Alex, On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Cara Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please do feel free to disregard here, if you need to; I must ask, am I > missing something here?… > > Why is it a problem to simply have the text spoken by a screen reader as > well as seen by a sighted user?… I personally wouldn't mind reading such a > line of text on the page which states which mode I'm in. > > As I said, am just curious, so feel free to respond if you've the time / > inclination, otherwise, no biggie, and best of luck!… > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > > > > On Jul 31, 2008, at 10:06 PM, Alex Jurgensen` wrote: > > Hi, >> I spoke to my senior programer about my issue, and I received the response >> that we need a simple, compact interface optimized for screen readers and >> modifying the existing source code would take several years to do. I >> managed to sort of hide my text by using an image of the text instead of >> html, but the effect isn't the best. A Css inplimentation would be the >> best. >> >> Thanks for listening, >> Alex, >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 7:19 AM, David Poehlman < >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> It is not advisable nor is it documented as to how to do this. please >>> just >>> follow accessability guidelines and show your university the relivant >>> materials to force their hand. if you need help forcing their hand, we >>> can >>> help. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Alex Jurgensen`" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by >>> theblind" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:10 AM >>> Subject: Re: Help needed with basic Css for VO >>> >>> >>> Hi,Lol, >>> >>> I am "aware" of the issues, but there is very little I can do about >>> accessibility within the existing infrastructure. I am finding that I >>> don't >>> know enough programming in the required language to modify existing code, >>> and the result would, even if I could modify it, be probably a mockery, >>> without special training. Lol, I am only fifteen, so fogive me if this >>> sounds stupid. I am trying do do what is best for the end users. >>> >>> The mail client I am trying to adapt is "open source", but the sighted >>> users >>> pages are too crowded as it is. The university won't have a screen reader >>> compliant client until I complete the code for a screen reader specific >>> mode, nicknamed Open-Web-Accessibility. I want to develope something with >>> screen users in mind as adapting sites, while allowing access, is not >>> really >>> optimized in my oppinion for the blind end user. >>> >>> I don't remember, when I intoroduced myself to this list, but I am a VO >>> user, and the Standard and Advanced interface, while usable, present a >>> number of difficulties due to visual components such as images and icons. >>> >>> Hope this is helpful, >>> Thanks for listening, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis < >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Alex Jurgensen` wrote: >>>> >>>> I am using Css to hide certain text that clutters the page and that ony >>>>> sighted users could use such as the fact that the web browsing mode is >>>>> a >>>>> screen reader compliant mode. I litterly have "You are browsing "ICE" >>>>> in >>>>> Screen Reader Mode" at the top. I want to add a switch to advanced or >>>>> standard mode links for sighted users that navigate to the screen >>>>> reader >>>>> mode of my page. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> There's no reliable technique for hiding content from screen reader >>>> >>> users. >>> >>>> Mere text could be (very hackily) "hidden" by placing it in an image >>>> with >>>> alt="", but this will be invisible to some sighted users too. Normal >>>> links >>>> and controls would be very difficult to hide; JS-based fake controls >>>> >>> might >>> >>>> be easier to hide but won't be usable by all sighted users (not just >>>> because >>>> of the dependency on JS, but also because they won't necessarily be >>>> keyboard >>>> accessible). >>>> >>>> All this is unneccesary to the blind user, as it is a >>>> >>>>> separate service of the university than standard and advanced mode. >>>>> Basically, my task is to make a screen reader specific page. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> You're perhaps aware of the issues, but in general creating a screen >>>> reader >>>> specific mode is a suboptimal approach compared to fixing the other >>>> modes >>>> to >>>> work with assistive technology. See this discussion from RNIB: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_textbasedwebsites.hcsp >>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alex A.AWEBSIGHT administrator >>> AWEBSIGHT web team >>> "Blindness is a gift, not a disability." >>> B.C unit >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> http://www.VisionMail.uni.cc/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Alex A.AWEBSIGHT administrator >> AWEBSIGHT web team >> "Blindness is a gift, not a disability." >> B.C unit >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> http://www.VisionMail.uni.cc/ >> > > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > > -- Alex A.AWEBSIGHT administrator AWEBSIGHT web team "Blindness is a gift, not a disability." B.C unit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.VisionMail.uni.cc/
