Dear Esther,
I'm afraid it hasn't worked. I have done exactly what you have
suggested but the shortcut key combination hasn't changed. I have done
it a few times but to no avail. Does the check box next to the
description of the shortcut have any bearing on the result of the
operation intended? One thing that has unexpectedly happened as a
result of my attempting to tchange the shortcut key was that my
keyboard layout has changed to a different language as if I were
actually pressing that shortcut while attempting to change it. I don't
whether anybody else has had similar expereinces with this.
With best wishes and thanks for your forbearance, Simon
On 20 Aug 2008, at 01:58, Esther wrote:
Hi Simon,
You wrote:
Following your steps for changing input source shortcut keys that
by default conflict with the activation for spotlight window
shortcut, I have successfully changed the shortcut key for
selecting next input source to option spacebar. However, - although
I have carried out the same steps - I have failed to change the
shortcut key for previous input source which still persists as
command+spacebar. Why can't I change it?
To make sure that your keyboard shortcut change has "taken", you
might want to VO-left off the shortcut you've assigned and then VO-
right again to hear the assignment you made announced before you
stop interacting with the table. When you re-assign a keyboard
shortcut by double-clicking and then pressing the new shortcut
combination, you're in a kind of edit mode. Moving your focus off
the shortcut just after you've made the assignment and before you
leave the table ensures that the next keys you type (to stop
interacting, for instance) are not confused with the keys you
pressed as part of the shortcut assignment. To make sure your new
assignment can't be changed by your later key presses, move the
mouse cursor off the shortcut key after you VO-left, so there's no
possibility that you're still in entry mode for that shortcut
sequence when you VO-right again to hear the new shortcut
announced. In the case of editing mode changes where a key sequence
is not correctly interpreted (maybe due to extra key presses), the
default response of the system is not to make changes. You can also
check that the mouse cursor moved correctly to keyboard shortcut
position before you re-assign the shortcut, but I think it's more
likely that the edit mode didn't terminate properly.
So, starting from the selected shortcut description for "Select the
previous input source", the sequence would go:
1. VO-right to the current shortcut key assignment -- Command-Space,
according to your note.
2. Move the mouse cursor to your VoiceOver Cursor (VO-keys-Command-
F5 or VO-keys-Command-Fn-F5 on older laptops)
3. (Optional) Verify that the Command-Space shortcut is under the
Mouse (VO-keys-F5 or VO-keys-Fn-F5 on older laptops).
4. Double-click on the shortcut you wish to change with VO-keys-
Shift-Space by holding down the Control, Option, and Shift keys
while tapping the Space bar twice quickly
5. Press Option-Shift-Space for your new keyboard shortcut
6. VO-left back to the shortcut description ("Select the previous
input source")
7. Move the mouse cursor to your VoiceOver Cursor (VO-keys-Command-
F5) to ensure it is off the newly assigned Shortcut key.
8. VO-right to the shortcut key and check this is now Option-Shift-
Space.
9. Stop interacting with the table.
10. Tab to the "Select All" button and VO-space to press and
navigate back to the main System Preferences menu.
11. Navigate to the "International" menu (type "I N" and return;
press VO-keys+space to open the menu)
12. Navigate to "Input Menu" (VO-keys+Right Arrow to the "Input
Menu" tab and VO-keys-Space to select)
13. Navigate (VO-keys+Right Arrow) past the table of selected
(checked) input keyboards to read a summary of Input Menu Shortcuts.
The two shortcut assignments should now read:
Select previous input source: Option-Shift-Space
Select next input source in menu: Option-Space
When you start using the shortcut keys it is easiest if you are only
working with two or three input keyboards, and if there is some key
you can press to quickly distinguish the keyboard you're using. For
example, I'll use the key to the left of the carriage return key
(either shifted or unshifted), and that usually distinguishes the
different input keyboards I use if I'm in TextEdit.
Hope this helps. Since Tiger supports the option to allow a
different input source for each document, I haven't tried to install
the InputSwitcher app suggested by the MultiLingual Mac page as a
solution for this missing option under Leopard. Try the current
shortcut options first, and let us know how they work.
Cheers,
Esther
On 18 Aug 2008, at 13:53, Esther wrote:
Hi Will,
You want to change the shortcut assignment listed in the table
(not add one for another application by using the button to the
right of the table). Interact with the Table of listed
shortcuts. The Input Menu shortcuts are near the end of the
list. You could simply uncheck the checkbox beside "Input Menu" so
there are no shortcuts in conflict with the ones for Spotlight.
To change the assigned shortcut, doubleclick on the shortcut then
press the new combination you want to use. I set these to:
Select the previous input source: Option-Shift-Space
Select the next input source in the Input menu: Option-Space
And I VO-right to where the current shortcut is announced (e.g.
Command-Space), then double click with VO-Shift-Space pressed
twice quickly by holding down VO-shift and tapping the Space bar
twice.
Cheers,
Esther
On Aug 17, 2008, at 11:45 PM, will lomas wrote:
hi yes the keyboard shortcuts conflict with spotlight and
language keyboard switching
how do i change a short cut?
the button to the right of the table is dealing with applications?
Will
