Tim, what you fail to realize is it's not so much your critical comments of Apple. I agree they could have done more way back when, they could do more now, and they can do more in the future. There's no disagreement there. Your comments was basically stating that iTunes is inaccessible and that simply is false. Itunes as a program is overall quite accessible and is one hell of a step forward considering where it was a little over a year or so back. I agree the store is a real problem and there's no doubt in my mind that Apple is aware of it and will do something at some point. It's unfortunate it won't get done as soon as any of us would like. Then you go on to basically say in so many words that because we're blind, we're easily lied too and we'd take it. Now that my friend is absolute bull crap and if you truly believe that, then I feel for you. I think in general blind people are no different in this regard than sighted people. I personally could care less if you love or hate the Mac, iTunes or anything else. In the end you use what gets the job done, that is what is important. It's just the entire thread has run off the rails and statements are being made that simply aren't true. I would not have chimed in otherwise, but for anyone new and reading this needs to have the facts and your statements simply do not reflect the true facts. Tim, I never said you had anything personally against the Mac or Apple and in fact I again, do not care. I think Apple deserves to be recognized for what they have accomplished thus far because it's a damned sight better then it ever has been and there is simply no denying that fact. I as a Mac user have no need to defend Apple, I purchased the Mac because I wanted something other than Windows and I do not regret the switch, but then I also had been using Linux for about five or six years prior to switching so wasn't using Windows in any event. I think or at least hope we understand each other despite our difference of opinion. Hey we can agree to disagree and ain't that a wonderful thing?


On Aug 24, 2008, at 8:23 AM, Tim Grady wrote:

Let me just say a few things. I have not like some of you perceive attacked apple or the Mac, although I do think users of the Mac are quite silly sometimes about their defense of the Mac, for example, you seem to think I have some kind of personal grievance against Apple. You couldn't be more wrong. I just happen not to agree with you about all of the plaudits you are giving Apple. I like what Apple is doing, but I have to ask, why did it take them so long to start? Ever since I started working with the LISA you could see that Apple's equipment had great potential for accessibility. Instead of putting a lot of time and effort into making their systems accessible they chose to only give this a minimal effort and were almost put out of business by Microsoft. Now, I'm not saying that was the only mistake Apple made. To my mind they made a lot of bonehead mistakes that caused their problems. Now, back to the Itunes thing that seems to have gotten your bowels in an uproar. I simply stated that it wouldn't be hard for Apple to fix Itunes so that every time Itunes was updated you didn't have to get sighted help to click on the button to agree to the Itunes store terms. Calm down and take a stress pill. I won't be publicly critical of Apple again on this list if it gets you'll so upset, although the lists

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